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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 01:55:47 AM »
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I wasn't asking for your permission, just offering a fresh and uncluttered new thread to established that 95% of the witnesses to the assassination did not say the shots came from the direction of the TSBD as you say they did.


In each collation of all the Dealey Plaza earwitnesses from Conspiracy author through to the HSCA, the results are always the same only a miniscule 3 to 6% of all the earwitnesses heard a crossfire meaning about 95% heard the shots from only one direction and since we know that both Connally and Kennedy were hit from behind therefore ALL the shots came from the rear.









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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 02:13:28 AM »
Again John you are incorrect about what the witnesses to the assassination actually heard and saw. I will start a new thread and post the actual witnesses statements made at the time as to what they say they witnessed and will try to get it up tomorrow or the next day.

At that point you can attempt to rebut the actual statements of the witnesses or post more misleading pie charts lacking the actual documented statements to back them up.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 02:33:14 AM »
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Again John you are incorrect about what the witnesses to the assassination actually heard and saw. I will start a new thread and post the actual witnesses statements made at the time as to what they say they witnessed and will try to get it up tomorrow or the next day.

At that point you can attempt to rebut the actual statements of the witnesses or post more misleading pie charts lacking the actual documented statements to back them up.





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Again John you are incorrect about what the witnesses to the assassination actually heard and saw.

I've been doing this for some time and have read the relevant testimony whereas you are going to cherry pick a couple of earwitnesses while not considering the other 95%, Yawn.

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I will start a new thread and post the actual witnesses statements made at the time as to what they say they witnessed and will try to get it up tomorrow or the next day.

Yeah, you do that because without evidence your opinion means nothing.

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At that point you can attempt to rebut the actual statements of the witnesses or post more misleading pie charts lacking the actual documented statements to back them up.

What's misleading?, several independent groups added the up the numbers, there is no secret all the information is in the public domain.

Btw you do realize that Thompson refers to Josiah Thompson author of Six Seconds in Dallas and his numbers were for 94% of ALL the Earwitnesses who heard shots from only one direction.



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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 02:50:31 AM »
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More games. The majority of witnesses asked the simple question regarding their opinion on the origin of the shots said they were from the GK area.

We have gone over this many times with him, but he keeps repeating his falsehoods.



Who's "we"?

The Earwitnesses who thought the shots came from the Knoll thought ALL the shots came from the Knoll, but that's simply not possible and considering that Kennedy and Connally were both struck from behind, the only logical outcome is that all the shots were fired from behind by Oswald on the 6th floor.



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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 03:10:17 AM »
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Again John you are incorrect about what the witnesses to the assassination actually heard and saw. I will start a new thread and post the actual witnesses statements made at the time as to what they say they witnessed and will try to get it up tomorrow or the next day.

At that point you can attempt to rebut the actual statements of the witnesses or post more misleading pie charts lacking the actual documented statements to back them up.

Lloyd, I look forward to participating in that thread. I would recommend that you just post the statements of ten witnesses at a time. We'll go through each of those and then you can post another ten. Just a suggestion.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 05:01:57 PM »
Tim,

Good advice. Doing ten at a time will make it much easier to both post and discuss/debate. 

One of the many interesting things about the witnesses to the JFK assassination is the evolving nature of many of their statements. Some witnesses originally made statements and even gave testimony which was opposite to the WC conclusions.  Then over time they began to think they were mistaken and came to accept they must have been wrong. This is not an indication of something necessarily sinister or conspiratorial. The Newman's and Sam Holland are good examples.

While there is indisputable evidence from dozens of witnesses to the assassination that they were threatened or intimidated in an effort to get them to change their statements,  still others appear to have changed their minds about what they saw and heard as a result of the psychological phenomena of cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort or psychological stress that comes from simultaneously holding two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of performing an action which contradicts widely held beliefs, ideals or values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts previously beliefs, ideals, and values.


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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 05:21:03 PM »
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Who's "we"?

The Earwitnesses who thought the shots came from the Knoll thought ALL the shots came from the Knoll, but that's simply not possible and considering that Kennedy and Connally were both struck from behind, the only logical outcome is that all the shots were fired from behind by Oswald on the 6th floor.



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 Relying on JFK Male EAR Witnesses that were roughly 40+ years old is a Big Mistake. Most of those, (Brehm, Willis, etc) served in WW 2. Having been subjected to the Extremely Loud Noises that come with battle renders their hearing ability subject to question. As to what these individuals may have claimed to have Viewed, (shooter(s)/Smoke/Gun/Gun Barrel/etc on 11/22/63 = A-OK.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2018, 11:50:54 PM »
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Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!

Maybe if you fall on the floor and kick your feet you'll be more convincing.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2018, 11:52:58 PM »
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A. About 95% of the earwitnesses said all the bullets came from one direction, meaning no crossfire.

Witnesses are unreliable, except when they're not.

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B. There were bullet fragments in the Limo that were exclusively matched to Oswalds rifle.

"fragments in the limo" - LOL
"exclusively matched" - LOL
"Oswald's rifle" - LOL

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 12:04:21 AM »
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Wrong. Oswald's palm print was lifted off of the rifle on Nov 22, 1963 by Carl Day.

Of course it was.  He just forgot to take photos of the partial print before lifting it, forgot to cover it with cellophane, and forgot tell the FBI about it when the evidence was turned over.  And the traces of the print that he claimed were still visible on the rifle somehow disappeared by the time it got to Latona.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 12:04:21 AM »