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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2018, 05:56:06 PM »
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There you have 2 different directions of shooting and more than 3 shots.  This equals CONSPIRACY.


Lee,

No question that bullets coming from two different directions proves a conspiracy. I believe there were multiple shots from different directions but don't follow your logic here.

- "Bullet from front at reduced velocity through windshield enters JFK's throat with insufficient power to emerge out the other side."

- "Through and through windshield bullet hole requires high velocity round."



I am not sure what you are saying with these statements as they are incongruent. Please define what you believe to be the speed of "high velocity rounds" and what velocity you believe is necessary for a "through and through windshield bullet hole". Are you trying to say that a bullet passing through a car windshield must be traveling at a high velocity and the resistance of the windshield glass reduces the speed of the bullet to the extent that it would enter JFK's soft neck tissue but not exit?

Even pistol bullets traveling at the relatively low velocity of +/-800 feet per second [as compared to high velocity rifle bullets] can easily penetrate vehicle windshield glass. Bullets traveling at "high velocity" are not necessary for a "through and through windshield bullet hole".


"-Bullet through windshield denting top metal framing of windshield with fragments deflected down into Connally's thigh.  Fragments were also found in Greer's seat, the foot well where Kellerman sat and under the jump seat"

The bullet or bullet fragment which dented the chrome strip at the "top metal framing of windshield" could not have come through the front of the windshield and then impacted the chrome strip above the drivers heads. This bullet or bullet fragment must have come from behind the limousine rather than through the front windshield.

"-Bullet that hit Connally in the back going through him and exiting low down on his suit coat possibly breaking his wrist too".

The bullet that entered Governor Connally's back and exited his chest just below his right nipple did not exit low down on his suit coat.

If you have proof that anyone other than the shooter knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day, by all means post it.
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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2018, 06:01:26 PM »
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Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!



JohnM

Look at my original post and cite some evidence that there were only three bullets from one direction.  Then you can tell me about that new law of Physics you've discovered.

Only one bullet was attributed to the MC and that was planted at Parkland with no loss of mass that would indicate it hit anything at all.  Never mind caused the injuries that day. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2018, 06:02:30 PM »
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Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!



JohnM

Anything is possible in the CT twilight zone, except that.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 06:04:38 PM »
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If you have proof that anyone other than the shooter knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day, by all means post it.

No Bill lets stick to my original post and you cite evidence that counters the number of bullets fired / witnessed and the number of directions.

My OP was posted to focus on the number of bullets fired and accounted for and from which direction they came.  I welcome you countering any points in my OP

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 06:06:38 PM »
Bill,

All you LN'ers are in denial anddon't even believe the HSCA.  Lets keep this topic on the OP please.  Go ahead take a part the OP points made

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2018, 06:11:21 PM »
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Look at my original post and cite some evidence that there were only three bullets from one direction.  Then you can tell me about that new law of Physics you've discovered.

Only one bullet was attributed to the MC and that was planted at Parkland with no loss of mass that would indicate it hit anything at all.  Never mind caused the injuries that day.
A. About 95% of the earwitnesses said all the bullets came from one direction, meaning no crossfire.
B. There were bullet fragments in the Limo that were exclusively matched to Oswalds rifle.
C. CE399 was missing a tiny amount of lead and the amount of lead in Connally was tiny.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 06:26:10 PM »
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Too much time and effort is wasted examining Oswald, Tippit et al just as the conspirators planned it.  A simple analysis of the real evidence of shots fired proves it was a conspiracy.  That information is already out there and is diminished by focussing in the wrong directions:

- Forget the number of audible shots; there were signallers and spotters to ensure some shots were simultaneous.

- Bullet to JFK's back near the right shoulder - not the back of the neck. No way that could have come out the front of his neck from he trajectory.  JFK's suit coat and shirt show this.

- Bullet from front at reduced velocity through windshield enters JFK's throat with insufficient power to emerge out the other side.

- Bullet to JFK's head.

- Bullet that missed and hit the kerb causing consequential injury to James Tague on Main Street

- Bullet "found" at Parkland Hospital (only one attributed to the MC owned supposedly by LHO).  No markings or loss in weight to support hitting anything substantial.  A plant to frame LHO.

- Bullet that hit Connally in the back going through him and exiting low down on his suit coat possibly breaking his wrist too.

- Bullet denting top metal framing of windshield with fragments deflected down into Connally's thigh.  Fragments were also found in Greer's seat, the foot well where Kellerman sat and under the jump seat

- Three shells lined up in TSBD sixth floor.

- Through and through windshield bullet hole requires high velocity round.

There you have 2 different directions of shooting and ore than 3 shots.  This equals CONSPIRACY.

We may never have the names of the shooters but we know who the plotters had to be as there was a well orchestrated cover up.  We know why wen we look at World and domestic events at that time.

Fact. All three shots were fired from the sixth floor south-east corner window of the TSBD by Lee Harvey Oswald using C2766. The first shot missed. The third struck Kennedy in the head.
The second shot, one bullet, caused seven wounds in JFK and GC. That's what the evidence shows. There is absolutely no evidence in existence which shows that there were shots from any other direction. What you have posted is more tired conspiracy hogwash that belongs in the twilight zone.   

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2018, 06:53:16 PM »
A. "About 95% of the earwitnesses said all the bullets came from one direction, meaning no crossfire."


Not true

B. There were bullet fragments in the Limo that were exclusively matched to Oswalds rifle.

Yes, The FBI said bullet fragments were matched to the rifle the WC said was LHO rifle.


C. CE399 was missing a tiny amount of lead and the amount of lead in Connally was tiny.

This is true, but also misleading. CE399 was missing a very tiny amount of lead, just enough to be outside the average range of the unfired bullet weight in grains of the samples of identical ammo the FBI used for comparison and inconsistent in weight and lack of deformation with all of the test bullets fired by the WC/FBI into human cadaver wrist bones, goats ribs, etc. FBI SA Robert Frazier reported the average unfired weight of a Winchester Cartridge Company 6.5mm round-nosed bullet is 161 grains. He said he weighed CE399 at 158.6 grains and stated a difference of 2.4 grains.

The amount in weight and number of lead fragments in Governor Connelly was not tiny.  The fragment imbedded in his thigh was by itself,  1.3 x 3.5 mm on x-ray. Several other fragments in Connelly's wrist were identified and only two were removed by Dr. Gregory during his wrist surgery. Dr. Shires also noted another larger bullet fragment which posed no threat and was left in Connelly's chest.

 





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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 07:04:44 PM »
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Which earwitnesses said shots came from both ends of Elm street?

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2018, 08:10:08 PM »
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Which earwitnesses said shots came from both ends of Elm street?

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John,

In the interest of not getting this thread off the original track, what do you think about starting another thread focusing on the the ear and eye witnesses who said the shots came from some place other than the TSBD? I have a several page response with witnesses statements. Either way is fine with me and I am glad to start a separate thread and answer your question.
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