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This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« on: December 01, 2019, 06:16:45 PM »

Offline John Mytton

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2019, 06:48:49 PM »
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This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument

Excellent, so no more of these posts! Thumb1:

Oh, one more thing:  is this the same J Edgar who said that the thing he was concerned about "is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin"?

Just checking.

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2019, 07:24:23 PM »
False equivalence. Typical “Mytton”.

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2019, 07:24:23 PM »

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2019, 07:28:44 PM »
False equivalence. Typical “Mytton”.

Yeah yeah, whatever the FBI says can't be trusted, except when it supports your conspiracy, then you're all ears. Hypocrites, the lot of you!

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2019, 07:35:24 PM »
Yeah yeah, whatever the FBI says can't be trusted, except when it supports your conspiracy, then you're all ears. Hypocrites, the lot of you!

Hoover isn’t the FBI, and his “concerns” aren’t purported, but fallacious forensic evidence.

But nice try.

Hoover did get to decide what he was concerned about, whether you like the implications of it or not. I never said “whatever the FBI says can’t be trusted”, anyway. Typical desperate strawman “Mytton”.

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2019, 08:24:15 PM »
False equivalence is right.  Citing alleged deficiencies in the FBI's use of certain forensics used in other situations decades later (e.g. hair and bites) that was not used in this case to cast fake doubt on Oswald's guilt smacks of a contrarian's utopian fantasy.  Mixing apples and oranges to suggest there is false doubt about the actual evidence.  A dishonest shell game.  Frame all evidence in the context of an impossible standard of proof then squeal that nothing can ever be proven for that reason.  Silly. 

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2019, 08:24:15 PM »

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2019, 11:11:23 PM »
False equivalence is right.  Citing alleged deficiencies in the FBI's use of certain forensics used in other situations decades later (e.g. hair and bites) that was not used in this case to cast fake doubt on Oswald's guilt smacks of a contrarian's utopian fantasy.  Mixing apples and oranges to suggest there is false doubt about the actual evidence.  A dishonest shell game.  Frame all evidence in the context of an impossible standard of proof then squeal that nothing can ever be proven for that reason.  Silly.

So you think the FBI went by the book under Hoover and only recently devised their fake forensics policy? :D If anything the FBI would be less corrupt than when Hoover was also the de facto mob boss.

Maybe we should have another look at the palm print Day found on the MC. Where is that formal analysis anyway? Didn't the FBI just eyeball the print and declare it matched Oswald? Very pseudo-scientific of them, don't you think? And don't get me started on how the DPD handled all the evidence before they turned it over to the FBI.

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2019, 11:11:23 PM »

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2019, 11:26:01 PM »
Hoover isn’t the FBI, and his “concerns” aren’t purported, but fallacious forensic evidence.

Hoover wanted "something issued so we can convince the public...". Hoover was speaking for the FBI and Hoover's concerns as director was everyone in the FBI's concern!

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But nice try.

No, try not. Do or do not. There is no try.

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Hoover did get to decide what he was concerned about, whether you like the implications of it or not.


Hoover was the director of the FBI and always acted on behalf of the FBI, whether they like it or not.

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I never said “whatever the FBI says can’t be trusted”, anyway.

I was paraphrasing and making a ct's generality. It's a public forum, it's not all about you, you know!

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 11:39:16 PM »
Yeah yeah, whatever the FBI says can't be trusted, except when it supports your conspiracy, then you're all ears. Hypocrites, the lot of you!

JohnM

False equivalence. You need to bone up on your fallacies so you can avoid them.

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Re: This is why “FBI said so” is not a good argument
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 11:39:16 PM »

 

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