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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2019, 02:30:06 PM »
???

The jump seat makes all the difference. Take a look at the images showing the actual placement of the two all along the parade route. Dude, FFS already..

The top sticker indicates the twofer either exited the mouth or Kennedy had his tie and shirt pulled up over his chin.

Uh, no, Bill. It doesn't. What does make a difference are the markings on the stand-in's backside there. Explain how a bullet heading downward would exit *above* on the other side like the marks show. That's an official reenactment (your heroes) you see there, Bill, and they're going by the autopsy findings, also official.

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2019, 02:32:39 PM »
???

The shooter used a laser gun? Okay, sure...

Anyway, Oswald showed how it worked out fine

Now you're just being disingenuous here, Bill. Put another way, you're just being an asshat here now, Bill.

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2019, 03:00:28 PM »
Now you're just being disingenuous here, Bill. Put another way, you're just being an asshat here now, Bill.

When is he ever not?

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2019, 03:00:28 PM »

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2019, 03:55:46 PM »
Uh, no, Bill. It doesn't. What does make a difference are the markings on the stand-in's backside there. Explain how a bullet heading downward would exit *above* on the other side like the marks show. That's an official reenactment (your heroes) you see there, Bill, and they're going by the autopsy findings, also official.
Based on these particular photos, and with the stand-in more upright than Kennedy, ...



Bullet enters base of the back of
"Kennedy's" neck (mark on jacket).
 


Goes downward to exit at level of tie knot.
Cue Cakebread to point out the car, stand-ins and where car is currently stopped are not the same as those on the day of the assassination.

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2019, 04:48:45 PM »
Based on these particular photos, and with the stand-in more upright than Kennedy, ...



Bullet enters base of the back of
"Kennedy's" neck (mark on jacket).
 


Goes downward to exit at level of tie knot.
Cue Cakebread to point out the car, stand-ins and where car is currently stopped are not the same as those on the day of the assassination.

Uh, no, Jerry. That's not what they're doing here. They knew where the wounds were because they were well informed, having seen the autopsy photos. They have the mark on the upper back EXACTLY as seen in Bethesda. Here, see how nice I am - I put this together for you:



And because there is no report at all of any rear neck wound as marked in the area above the upper back wound in that reenactment photo, this clearly is showing where that wound was if it was simply moved around to the front of the throat.

So I ask you [and others again] - how can a bullet shot from high up heading downward hit that upper back area and exit ABOVE and out of the neck? It's not plausible, Jerry, and goes against any and all things that happen in real life.

'Night, John Boy
'Night, Mary Ellen

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2019, 04:48:45 PM »

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2019, 06:17:37 PM »
Uh, no, Bill. It doesn't. What does make a difference are the markings on the stand-in's backside there. Explain how a bullet heading downward would exit *above* on the other side like the marks show. That's an official reenactment (your heroes) you see there, Bill, and they're going by the autopsy findings, also official.

I agree with the overlay you provided
It comports (roughly) with 14x14cm

I don't see the Kennedy vehicle
I don't see the JFK/JBC stand-ins seated properly

What I see is a shabby reenactment
What I see is the top marking having Kennedy spitting chicklets upon exit

EDIT 1:48 EST
« Last Edit: November 26, 2019, 06:48:44 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Michael Walton

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2019, 06:25:16 PM »
I don't see any markings on anyone's backside
I don't see the Kennedy vehicle
I don't see the JFK/JBC stand-ins seated properly

What I see is a shabby reenactment
What I see is the top marking having Kennedy spitting chicklets upon exit

Sure, Bill, sure. So what you're basically saying here is the US government's investigation of the murdered president was "shabby," right?

FINALLY - some truth from the Oswald Did It crowd!

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2019, 06:25:16 PM »

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2019, 06:29:19 PM »
Uh, no, Jerry. That's not what they're doing here. They knew where the wounds were because they were well informed, having seen the autopsy photos. They have the mark on the upper back EXACTLY as seen in Bethesda. Here, see how nice I am - I put this together for you:



And because there is no report at all of any rear neck wound as marked in the area above the upper back wound in that reenactment photo, this clearly is showing where that wound was if it was simply moved around to the front of the throat.

First you claim about the re-enactment photo: "The marks on the back are based on the measurements from the official autopsy and all are very accurate." Now you say "there is no report at all of any rear neck wound as marked in the area above the upper back wound in that reenactment photo".

We're trying to follow what you say but you throw out contradictions and now you've added an autopsy picture.

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So I ask you [and others again] - how can a bullet shot from high up heading downward hit that upper back area and exit ABOVE and out of the neck?

'Night, John Boy
'Night, Mary Ellen

Now you're talking about the autopsy photo (I guess). Have you allowed for the back surface in the autopsy photo being photographed at a much more oblique angle than the re-enactment photo was taken at? A reasonable person wouldn't just take an autopsy photo and slap it onto some other photo without determining if the camera angles were similar.

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It's not plausible, Jerry, and goes against any and all things that happen in real life.

That an autopsy photo was taken at a different camera angle than a motorcade photo seems a "real life" consideration. That Kennedy's posture in the motorcade was different than "perfect posture" seems a legitimate reflection of "real life".

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2019, 06:29:19 PM »

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2019, 06:43:40 PM »
Sure, Bill, sure. So what you're basically saying here is the US government's investigation of the murdered president was "shabby," right?

FINALLY - some truth from the Oswald Did It crowd!

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I don't agree with the methodology of this particular reenactment. You're the one presenting a reenactment, that is missing the proper ingredients, as the be-all and end-all of official government findings.

The jump seat makes all the difference whether you like it or not.

EDIT: 2:00pm EST
« Last Edit: November 26, 2019, 07:00:27 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2019, 07:21:15 PM »
Are you really that obtuse? You literally didn't understand my post? I must have posted the 2 laser challenge a dozen times on this forum and you never understood what I was getting at? Your problem is that you didn't realize the graphic was to show you how to do the experiment, not the experiment itself. Otherwise, CGI can't prove anything because it can defy logic and physics. You need reality.

Skip the CGI and put yourself in any position you like in the 2 laser scenario but actually do a physical re-enactment for a change. The lasers represent a straight line path thru JFK, not the trajectory of the MB from the SN. And remember, you can't fake real!

Now go out there and buy a couple of cheap leveling lasers and a protractor and do the goddamned experiment for yourself, then post your results and make me eat crow. ;D

Your "high-tech" laser test will always produce false positives.



Reasonable person with a legitimate interest in the truth of the case don't want to be misled by magician tricks from conspiracy loons with set-agendas.

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
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