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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2019, 01:15:51 AM »
Just putting this up here. Tom...Bill...Paul...John M -- care to at least try to explain how the so-called through and through shot that never was hit where the lower white mark is on the stand in and supposedly came out on the other side where the white mark on the neck area is?

Keep in mind that these are your heroes - FBI agents - during the official reenactment of the case several months after 11/22.

No "well, what about this?" or "what about that?" Explain please.

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Here's one of my all-time favorite photos. The official investigation has begun. Investigators have marked the Kennedy stand-in's back and we're in Dealey Plaza to boot. The marks on the back are based on the measurements from the official autopsy and all are very accurate.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during this reenactment listening in:

GMan 1: "How in the hell was that back shot [which was a shallow wound and no through and through exit per the autopsy] supposed to come out his neck like we got it marked here?"

GMan 2: "Beats me."

LOLOLOL!



The lower white mark comports with 14x14cm twofer entry. And show us the jump seat in that particular car.

BTW, Walter White's expertise in shooting from the trunk of a vehicle would be needed in order to exact the exit placement shown via the upper white spot.
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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2019, 01:49:49 AM »
Just putting this up here. Tom...Bill...Paul...John M -- care to at least try to explain how the so-called through and through shot that never was hit where the lower white mark is on the stand in and supposedly came out on the other side where the white mark on the neck area is?

Keep in mind that these are your heroes - FBI agents - during the official reenactment of the case several months after 11/22.

No "well, what about this?" or "what about that?" Explain please.

***

Here's one of my all-time favorite photos. The official investigation has begun. Investigators have marked the Kennedy stand-in's back and we're in Dealey Plaza to boot. The marks on the back are based on the measurements from the official autopsy and all are very accurate.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during this reenactment listening in:

GMan 1: "How in the hell was that back shot [which was a shallow wound and no through and through exit per the autopsy] supposed to come out his neck like we got it marked here?"

GMan 2: "Beats me."

LOLOLOL!



The re-enactment hasn't even begun.
 


Car's location, taken from a different vantage point.

 

Connally's jumpseat was lower than the one in the re-enactment car. Also the "Kennedy" stand-in couldn't get himself as far to the right as Kennedy actually did. When you adjust for those things, the SBT trajectory at ca.Z223 works out fine.

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2019, 09:12:36 PM »
Jerry and Bill...

You're both basically just throwing stuff up here. Neither of you have explained how the FBI, knowing the wound positioning based on the autopsy, put stickers almost precisely where the wounds are located (wound on the back and one on the throat showing on the back of the neck) and yet neither of these wound stickers reconcile with one another.

Why are both of you talking about the raising and lowering of the seat(s)?  Whether Kennedy or JBC were sitting higher or lower, it makes no difference as it does NOT explain how a supposed shot from 90 feet high in the air would hit Kennedy's back and exit ABOVE a bullet with a downward trajectory. Precisely where the marks are on the stand-in.

You're going to have to do much, much better than that.

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2019, 09:44:05 PM »
Connally's jumpseat was lower than the one in the re-enactment car. Also the "Kennedy" stand-in couldn't get himself as far to the right as Kennedy actually did. When you adjust for those things, the SBT trajectory at ca.Z223 works out fine.

Why don't you show us how the MB trajectory worked out fine. Point 2 lasers at each other as depicted below and get in between them ANY WAY YOU LIKE, and duplicate the entrance/exit wounds on JFK.



Cheap and easy way to convince yourself and everyone the MB trajectory works fine. Mytton couldn't do it, but maybe you'll have better luck.


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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2019, 09:48:01 PM »
Jerry and Bill...

You're both basically just throwing stuff up here. Neither of you have explained how the FBI, knowing the wound positioning based on the autopsy, put stickers almost precisely where the wounds are located (wound on the back and one on the throat showing on the back of the neck) and yet neither of these wound stickers reconcile with one another.

Why are both of you talking about the raising and lowering of the seat(s)?  Whether Kennedy or JBC were sitting higher or lower, it makes no difference as it does NOT explain how a supposed shot from 90 feet high in the air would hit Kennedy's back and exit ABOVE a bullet with a downward trajectory. Precisely where the marks are on the stand-in.

You're going to have to do much, much better than that.

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The jump seat makes all the difference. Take a look at the images showing the actual placement of the two all along the parade route. Dude, FFS already..

The top sticker indicates the twofer either exited the mouth or Kennedy had his tie and shirt pulled up over his chin.
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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2019, 10:02:37 PM »
Connally's jumpseat was lower than the one in the re-enactment car. Also the "Kennedy" stand-in couldn't get himself as far to the right as Kennedy actually did. When you adjust for those things, the SBT trajectory at ca.Z223 works out fine.

'SBT trajectory at ca.Z223 works out fine'

>>> For Oswald. Not so much for Kennedy  ;)

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2019, 10:08:42 PM »
Why don't you show us how the MB trajectory worked out fine. Point 2 lasers at each other as depicted below and get in between them ANY WAY YOU LIKE, and duplicate the entrance/exit wounds on JFK.



Cheap and easy way to convince yourself and everyone the MB trajectory works fine. Mytton couldn't do it, but maybe you'll have better luck.

 ???

The shooter used a laser gun? Okay, sure...

Anyway, Oswald showed how it worked out fine
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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2019, 01:53:51 AM »
Why don't you show us how the MB trajectory worked out fine. Point 2 lasers at each other as depicted below and get in between them ANY WAY YOU LIKE, and duplicate the entrance/exit wounds on JFK.



Cheap and easy way to convince yourself and everyone the MB trajectory works fine. Mytton couldn't do it, but maybe you'll have better luck.

Sure. Whatever. A cartoon outline figure equates Kennedy's seated position in the motorcade.



 
 

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2019, 04:03:43 AM »

Sure. Whatever. A cartoon outline figure equates Kennedy's seated position in the motorcade.

Are you really that obtuse? You literally didn't understand my post? I must have posted the 2 laser challenge a dozen times on this forum and you never understood what I was getting at? Your problem is that you didn't realize the graphic was to show you how to do the experiment, not the experiment itself. Otherwise, CGI can't prove anything because it can defy logic and physics. You need reality.

Skip the CGI and put yourself in any position you like in the 2 laser scenario but actually do a physical re-enactment for a change. The lasers represent a straight line path thru JFK, not the trajectory of the MB from the SN. And remember, you can't fake real!

Now go out there and buy a couple of cheap leveling lasers and a protractor and do the goddamned experiment for yourself, then post your results and make me eat crow. ;D
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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2019, 04:07:55 AM »
???

The shooter used a laser gun? Okay, sure...

Anyway, Oswald showed how it worked out fine

Hopeless.  ::)

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