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Offline James Hackerott

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Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« on: November 16, 2019, 02:08:06 AM »
Part 1
This a rough translation of notes and recall taken over the two day period of 20191029-30. It is rough and choppy and it is what it is. Scenes are numbered post assassination. Questions are welcome.

VLC video time
Pre Assassination
00:00   Begins along the motorcade route with woman holding large sign "ALL THE WAY WITH JFK"
00:12   Police officer pushes back the crowd to right of the street

Splice
Post Assassination

Scene 01   FieldOfView 38deg =  LensFocalLength 15mm
00:15   First post assassination scene. Back of Camera Car 2 (CC2) stopped on Elm, pans to TSBD doorway
00:18   Running girl with dark hair or scarf, white top, dark skirt
00:19   Fist view of (Prayer Person) PP in the doorway
00:20   Pans left past CC2 to behind Officer Smith in the street
00:22   Continues to pan left over the head of Mal Couch sitting on the left rear door of the open convertible
   Begins? to dismount from CC3
00:23   Sweeps rapidly across the reflection pool and captures buses at Houston/Main intersection.     
00:24   Jim Underwood has left CC3 and is running down Houston Street to find a working camera.
   Pans right (again over the head of the sitting Couch) to the Thornton Freeway sign.
   Pans left. Officer Smith still on the grass.
   Pans right to west shelter. The pergola shows a figure (man?) about two columns right of the
   west shelter moving towards that shelter.
00:27    Pans left back to Officer Smith kneeling in the grass 3-4 feet from curb
   Officer Smith begins to stand from his kneeling position in the grass
   Darnell's camera is swinging back and forth in-step as he jogs westward toward Smith.
00:32   Very blurry frame, likely as Darnell changes lens from 15mm to a 10mm wide angle.

Scene 02   FOV ~54deg   eq. Lens 10mm Wide Angle
00:32   Darnell stands a few feet behind Officer Smith filming through him to the grassy area from about Millican's light pole to about the third column from the east pergola shelter. The scene is similar to the John Martin film and the first Cabluck photo from his bus. Millican is still standing by the light pole. Stella Jacob and Gloria Holt are together looking and inching westward, but no clear sign of Sharon Simmons.

NB We now know Jimmy Darnell had 10, 15, and 30mm focal length lenses on his B&H Filmo 70 16mm camera.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1762.msg50179.html#msg50179


00:33   Car with five seated passengers passes (Camera Car 2?). FOV 54deg eq.Lens 10mm
   Front seat driver with passenger - both hatted, back seat two hatted and one hatless passenger.


Scene 03   FOV 19deg eq. Lens 30mm
00:35   Darnell moved further down the south side of Elm across from the Newmans, near Mary Moorman's position, and rotates the lens turret from 10mm wide angle to the 30mm highest magnification.

   Newmans laying on the grass, Altgens on sidewalk
   Three or more people in the west shelter
   Bill Newman rises to his knees and starts to pound the ground with his right fist
   Bus passes

Scene04   FOV 19deg eq. Lens 30mm
00:42    Darnell moves westward opposite the knoll steps, near where the Franzens stood..
   Films the rush to the Stockade fence at the TUP. Ft. Worth sign.
    Another bus passes

Scene05. FOV 19deg eq. lens 30mm
00:54   Last scene from south Elm, Franzens location
   Dallas police car passes.
   The knoll steps are in the background,
   Darnell sweeps to the TUP. as the last bus enters the TUP, followed by police car..
   Many people begin to cross Elm to the north side.

00:59   Darnell is now in the Railway/Parking area. Continued in next part 2

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Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« on: November 16, 2019, 02:08:06 AM »

Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2019, 04:47:20 AM »
Part 1
This a rough translation of notes and recall taken over the two day period of 20191029-30. It is rough and choppy and it is what it is. Scenes are numbered post assassination. Questions are welcome.

VLC video time
Pre Assassination
00:00   Begins along the motorcade route with woman holding large sign "ALL THE WAY WITH JFK"
00:12   Police officer pushes back the crowd to right of the street

Splice
Post Assassination

Scene 01   FieldOfView 38deg =  LensFocalLength 15mm
00:15   First post assassination scene. Back of Camera Car 2 (CC2) stopped on Elm, pans to TSBD doorway
00:18   Running girl with dark hair or scarf, white top, dark skirt
00:19   Fist view of (Prayer Person) PP in the doorway
00:20   Pans left past CC2 to behind Officer Smith in the street
00:22   Continues to pan left over the head of Mal Couch sitting on the left rear door of the open convertible
   Begins? to dismount from CC3
00:23   Sweeps rapidly across the reflection pool and captures buses at Houston/Main intersection.     
00:24   Jim Underwood has left CC3 and is running down Houston Street to find a working camera.
   Pans right (again over the head of the sitting Couch) to the Thornton Freeway sign.
   Pans left. Officer Smith still on the grass.
   Pans right to west shelter. The pergola shows a figure (man?) about two columns right of the
   west shelter moving towards that shelter.
00:27    Pans left back to Officer Smith kneeling in the grass 3-4 feet from curb
   Officer Smith begins to stand from his kneeling position in the grass
   Darnell's camera is swinging back and forth in-step as he jogs westward toward Smith.
00:32   Very blurry frame, likely as Darnell changes lens from 15mm to a 10mm wide angle.

Scene 02   FOV ~54deg   eq. Lens 10mm Wide Angle
00:32   Darnell stands a few feet behind Officer Smith filming through him to the grassy area from about Millican's light pole to about the third column from the east pergola shelter. The scene is similar to the John Martin film and the first Cabluck photo from his bus. Millican is still standing by the light pole. Stella Jacob and Gloria Holt are together looking and inching westward, but no clear sign of Sharon Simmons.

NB We now know Jimmy Darnell had 10, 15, and 30mm focal length lenses on his B&H Filmo 70 16mm camera.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1762.msg50179.html#msg50179


00:33   Car with five seated passengers passes (Camera Car 2?). FOV 54deg eq.Lens 10mm
   Front seat driver with passenger - both hatted, back seat two hatted and one hatless passenger.


Scene 03   FOV 19deg eq. Lens 30mm
00:35   Darnell moved further down the south side of Elm across from the Newmans, near Mary Moorman's position, and rotates the lens turret from 10mm wide angle to the 30mm highest magnification.

   Newmans laying on the grass, Altgens on sidewalk
   Three or more people in the west shelter
   Bill Newman rises to his knees and starts to pound the ground with his right fist
   Bus passes

Scene04   FOV 19deg eq. Lens 30mm
00:42    Darnell moves westward opposite the knoll steps, near where the Franzens stood..
   Films the rush to the Stockade fence at the TUP. Ft. Worth sign.
    Another bus passes

Scene05. FOV 19deg eq. lens 30mm
00:54   Last scene from south Elm, Franzens location
   Dallas police car passes.
   The knoll steps are in the background,
   Darnell sweeps to the TUP. as the last bus enters the TUP, followed by police car..
   Many people begin to cross Elm to the north side.

00:59   Darnell is now in the Railway/Parking area. Continued in next part 2

Great work, James.

Thanks for correctly identifying Stella Mae Jacob and Gloria Holt (Iacoletti's and Westbrook's "probably Carol Reed, and definitely Gloria Calvery" in Zapruder) in the Darnell footage.

Also, it's interesting that Darnell "captured" many people crossing Elm Street to the Grassy Knoll side.

If he filmed that segment less than three minutes after the final shot, it may suggest that Royell Storing is seriously off in his "Film Timing" theory, as Couch, in the synchronized Couch-Darnell GIF, shows two motorcycle policemen near and/or going around camera car # 3 (is the second one Clyde Haygood who ended up parking his bike down Elm Street by the curb after trying to jump it?) before those people you mention started crossing the street, and just a couple of seconds after both Couch and Darnell have filmed the "Lovelady and Shelley" characters walking down Elm Street Extension towards(?) the railway yard.

How many stoppages of the camera have you detected up to that point, i.e., about one minute after Darnell started filming the woman with the pro-JFK sign?

Four, I guess?

-- MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: November 16, 2019, 05:17:21 AM by Thomas Graves »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2019, 06:44:39 PM »
Thanks for correctly identifying Stella Mae Jacob and Gloria Holt (Iacoletti's and Westbrook's "probably Carol Reed, and definitely Gloria Calvery" in Zapruder) in the Darnell footage.

Stop spewing your made-up BS.  Westbrook didn't identify anybody in the Darnell footage.

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2019, 06:44:39 PM »

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Re: Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2019, 04:07:20 AM »
Stop spewing your made-up BS.  Westbrook didn't identify anybody in the Darnell footage.

John,

It's obvious to anyone who can: 1) see with better acuity than "just blobs,"  2) has seen the pertinent high school photos, etc, of the people in question, 3) is able to cross-reference the clothes, hair color, body types, etc, of the three people under discussion in Zapruder, Towner ad Darnell, and 4) who doesn't despise everything Brian Doyle says (or who doesn't like me -- LOL), that the three women in the Darnell clip are not only Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Holt and Sharon Simmons, but that they are also the same three women who were filmed on the Pergola Patio by Mr. Towner, and that they, in turn, are the same three women whom you and Karen Westbrook believe are "possibly Carol Reed, definitely Gloria Cavery, and definitely me, Karen Westbrook!"

As you like to admonish me about myself, you really do need to "get a life," because I seriously doubt that anyone believes, as you apparently do, that the three people on the Pergola Patio in Towner might be men who decided to wear Bermuda shorts that day.

LOL

--  MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: November 17, 2019, 04:32:18 AM by Thomas Graves »

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Re: Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2019, 04:23:13 AM »
Great work, James.

Thanks for correctly identifying Stella Mae Jacob and Gloria Holt (Iacoletti's and Westbrook's "probably Carol Reed, and definitely Gloria Calvery" in Zapruder) in the Darnell footage.

Also, it's interesting that Darnell "captured" many people crossing Elm Street to the Grassy Knoll side.

If he filmed that segment less than three minutes after the final shot, it may suggest that Royell Storing is seriously off in his "Film Timing" theory, as Couch, in the synchronized Couch-Darnell GIF, shows two motorcycle policemen near and/or going around camera car # 3 (is the second one Clyde Haygood who ended up parking his bike down Elm Street by the curb after trying to jump it?) before those people you mention started crossing the street, and just a couple of seconds after both Couch and Darnell have filmed the "Lovelady and Shelley" characters walking down Elm Street Extension towards(?) the railway yard.

How many stoppages of the camera have you detected up to that point, i.e., about one minute after Darnell started filming the woman with the pro-JFK sign?

Four, I guess?

-- MWT  ;)

     00:15 - Hackerott Notes spotting Camera Car #2 at a Dead STOP.
                 Why was Camera Car #2 STOPPED? This is why Photog's jumped out of their cars and started hoofing it down Elm and onto the Knoll. It took longer for the JFK Motorcade to proceed down Elm than has been cavalierly accepted. This is Exactly why there is the Incorrect Time Stamping of Films and Images.  This Stoppage of the Motorcade also corroborates Lovelady and Shelley giving WC Testimony that they did Not go down the Elm St Ext until 2-3 minutes After the Kill Shot.

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2019, 04:34:18 AM »
     00:15 - Hackerott Notes spotting Camera Car #2 at a Dead STOP.
                 Why was Camera Car #2 STOPPED? This is why Photog's jumped out of their cars and started hoofing it down Elm and onto the Knoll. It took longer for the JFK Motorcade to proceed down Elm than has been cavalierly accepted. This is Exactly why there is the Incorrect Time Stamping of Films and Images.  This Stoppage of the Motorcade also corroborates Lovelady and Shelley giving WC Testimony that they did Not go down the Elm St Ext until 2-3 minutes After the Kill Shot.

Royell,

How long do you figure the camera cars were stopped there?

--  MWT  ;)

PS Did Lovelady and Shelley say two-to-three minutes, or did they say three? 
« Last Edit: November 17, 2019, 04:37:07 AM by Thomas Graves »

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Re: Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 06:25:16 PM »
It's obvious to anyone who can: 1) see with better acuity than "just blobs,"  2) has seen the pertinent high school photos, etc, of the people in question, 3) is able to cross-reference the clothes, hair color, body types, etc, of the three people under discussion in Zapruder, Towner ad Darnell, and 4) who doesn't despise everything Brian Doyle says (or who doesn't like me -- LOL), that the three women in the Darnell clip are not only Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Holt and Sharon Simmons, but that they are also the same three women who were filmed on the Pergola Patio by Mr. Towner, and that they, in turn, are the same three women whom you and Karen Westbrook believe are "possibly Carol Reed, definitely Gloria Cavery, and definitely me, Karen Westbrook!"

What's obvious is that you think that calling your unsubstantiated subjective wild-ass guesses "obvious" somehow turns them into facts.

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As you like to admonish me about myself, you really do need to "get a life," because I seriously doubt that anyone believes, as you apparently do, that the three people on the Pergola Patio in Towner might be men who decided to wear Bermuda shorts that day.

You apparently like to make up strawmen positions to troll every forum thread with.

Get a life.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 07:46:03 PM »
What's obvious is that you think that calling your unsubstantiated subjective wild-ass guesses "obvious" somehow turns them into facts.

You apparently like to make up strawmen positions to troll every forum thread with.

Get a life.

John,

Do you still think the three people on the Pergola Patio in Towner might be Bermuda-shorts-wearing men, with the one on the right holding a baby blue helium-filled ballon on a head-high string?

--  MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: November 19, 2019, 07:47:50 PM by Thomas Graves »

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2019, 07:52:57 PM »
Do you still think the three people on the Pergola Patio in Towner might be Bermuda-shorts-wearing men, with the one on the right holding a baby blue helium-filled ballon on a head-high string?

Do you still think you can pollute every thread with your ridiculous loaded question trolling?  Get a life.

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Re: Darnell Film at SFM - Part 1 -Elm Street
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2019, 01:11:31 AM »
     00:15 - Hackerott Notes spotting Camera Car #2 at a Dead STOP.
                 Why was Camera Car #2 STOPPED? This is why Photog's jumped out of their cars and started hoofing it down Elm and onto the Knoll. It took longer for the JFK Motorcade to proceed down Elm than has been cavalierly accepted. This is Exactly why there is the Incorrect Time Stamping of Films and Images.  This Stoppage of the Motorcade also corroborates Lovelady and Shelley giving WC Testimony that they did Not go down the Elm St Ext until 2-3 minutes After the Kill Shot.
Royell,
While reviewing my notes for at least the third pass of the film for Scene01 I noted Camera Car 2 was stopped. But I also made note that the CC2 driver's door was half-way open as the driver, feet in the street, was stepping back into the car. I don't recall that scene even in Denis' compilation. I will add this to an addendum in the (hopefully) near future.
James

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