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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Is This Our Man?
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2019, 09:24:22 PM »
You can believe what ever floats yer boat....  I believe that LBJ's cover up committee would never have pushed the impossible timeline scenario if they hadn't been compelled to use it, because there was just too much evidence that forced them into working with that evidence.

    Why do you think for roughly 40 years they had people believing the Wiegman Film was filmed "continuously"?  Time Stamping Issues

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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2019, 10:58:06 PM »
    Why do you think for roughly 40 years they had people believing the Wiegman Film was filmed "continuously"?  Time Stamping Issues

That was something the Commission knew about and officially pushed?

Or some minor incidental thing in the ordinary course-of-events that just happened?

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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2019, 12:29:51 AM »
That was something the Commission knew about and officially pushed?

Or some minor incidental thing in the ordinary course-of-events that just happened?

    There is Nothing "incidental" when permitting a misconception such as the Wiegman Film being filmed "continuously" to be perpetuated for close to 40 years. ESPECIALLY when other films and individuals in them are being time stamped based on what we see in the Wiegman Film. And do Not forget that Wiegman was alleged to have jumped out of his camera car BEFORE the Kill Shot was fired. This is orchestrated Time Stamping Baloney in action.
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2019, 12:31:28 AM »
    As is usually the case, the intent here is False Time Stamping. Both Lovelady and Shelley Testified they went across the Elm Ext and stood on that island for 2-3 minutes Prior to going down the Elm Ext to the edge of the railroad yard. Lovelady said he looked back and saw Officer Baker running toward the TSBD. This puts Baker entering the TSBD roughly 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot vs the 45 seconds or whatever hogwash the WC and Hargis agreed to. The False time stamping of assassination images is perpetuated with testimony such as Officer Baker's. This False Time Stamping would include what we are told is the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass as seen on the Wiegman Film. The Time Stamping has been intentionally Manipulated roughly 1-3 minutes.

Royell,

Going from memory here, but are there any activities going on down on Elm Street in Couch-Darnell that can be synchronized or "time stamped" with known events according to other photos and films?

Running photographers, people lying on the ground, disappearing vehicles, that sort of thing?

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Re: Is This Our Man?
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2019, 01:25:03 AM »
Royell,

Going from memory here, but are there any activities going on down on Elm Street in Couch-Darnell that can be synchronized or "time stamped" with known events according to other photos and films?

Running photographers, people lying on the ground, disappearing vehicles, that sort of thing?

--  MWT  ;)

     With regard to Darnell, there is exceptionally little footage of his showing what was happening on Elm St. As for Couch, he did Not get his film rolling until his camera car #3 had made the turn and was headed down Elm St. And remember, the Lovelady & Shelley WC testimonies corroborate their heading down the Elm St extension 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot = a Time Stamp. THIS Testimony Time Stamps the footage showing Lovelady and Shelley going down the Elm Ext as being 2-3 Minutes AFTER the Kill Shot. This same 2-3 minute Time Stamping also applies to Officer Baker being filmed running toward the TSBD. Incidentally, Lovelady testified as seeing Baker running toward the TSBD as he and Shelley were going down the Elm Ext.
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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2019, 01:55:32 AM »
     With regard to Darnell, there is exceptionally little footage of his showing what was happening on Elm St. As for Couch, he did Not get his film rolling until his camera car #3 had made the turn and was headed down Elm St. And remember, the Lovelady & Shelley WC testimonies corroborate their heading down the Elm St extension 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot = a Time Stamp. THIS Testimony Time Stamps the footage showing Lovelady and Shelley going down the Elm Ext as being 2-3 Minutes AFTER the Kill Shot. This same 2-3 minute Time Stamping also applies to Officer Baker being filmed running toward the TSBD. Incidentally, Lovelady testified as seeing Baker running toward the TSBD as he and Shelley were going down the Elm Ext.

Royell,

As you know, Gerda Dunckel synchronized the Couch and Darnell clips into one coherent GIF.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22038-gerda-dunckels-synchronized-couch-and-darnell-clips/?tab=comments#comment-307308

Are you saying this Couch-Darnell GIF was filmed about two minutes after the assassination?

Did the motorcycle policemen stop and wait for a couple of minutes with the camera cars?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/Big_Couch.gif

Isn't that Frank Cancellare racing down the grassy slope to photograph the Newman family lying on the ground?

We can see Cancellare photographing the Newmans in this photo:

https://jfkassassinationfiles.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/grant-1-tdid-cancellare-in-it.jpg

As for the other photographers "caught" running and kinda standing around in Couch, this fine website by Denis Morissette might help:

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/08/22/professional-cameramen-and-photographers-in-dealey-plaza/

Motorcycle officer Clyde A. Haygood was riding right behind Marion Baker and was "just approaching Houston Street on Main Street" when he heard the shots ring out. When he made the turn at Houston and Elm, he saw people lying on the grass and pointing towards the railway yard, so he rode down Elm Street to approximately where JFK had been hit, and ended up struggling to park his bike by the curb after he'd evidently tried to jump it.

Isn't that Haygood, passing Couch's camera car on the left and then passing in front of camera car #2 to the right and heading down Elm Street to that spot?

(Do you see Haygood's motorcycle already parked at the curb down on Elm Street?  I don't.)

If so, do you really think it took him one to three minutes, from the time of the fatal head shot, to pass Couch's car?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

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Re: Is This Our Man?
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2019, 05:40:37 AM »
Royell,

As you know, Gerda Dunckel synchronized the Couch and Darnell clips into one coherent GIF.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22038-gerda-dunckels-synchronized-couch-and-darnell-clips/?tab=comments#comment-307308

Are you saying this Couch-Darnell GIF was filmed about two minutes after the assassination?

Did the motorcycle policemen stop and wait for a couple of minutes with the camera cars?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/Big_Couch.gif

Isn't that Frank Cancellare racing down the grassy slope to photograph the Newman family lying on the ground?

We can see Cancellare photographing the Newmans in this photo:

https://jfkassassinationfiles.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/grant-1-tdid-cancellare-in-it.jpg

As for the other photographers "caught" running and kinda standing around in Couch, this fine website by Denis Morissette might help:

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/08/22/professional-cameramen-and-photographers-in-dealey-plaza/

Motorcycle officer Clyde A. Haygood was riding right behind Marion Baker and was "just approaching Houston Street on Main Street" when he heard the shots ring out. When he made the turn at Houston and Elm, he saw people lying on the grass and pointing towards the railway yard, so he rode down Elm Street to approximately where JFK had been hit, and ended up struggling to park his bike by the curb after he'd evidently tried to jump it.

Isn't that Haygood, passing Couch's camera car on the left and then passing in front of camera car #2 to the right and heading down Elm Street to that spot?

(Do you see Haygood's motorcycle already parked at the curb down on Elm Street?  I don't.)

If so, do you really think it took him a minute or two, from the time of the fatal head shot, to pass Couch's car?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

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      Everything you reference does Not provide an actual Time Stamp.  I believe that the middle aged Wiegman is a pretty good stop watch. He and the other photog's jumped out of their camera cars because they felt that on foot they could move faster than their camera cars were moving/inching along. Wiegman jumped out of his camera car #1 as it was turning onto Elm. He ran down Elm, STOPPED to film the Comm. Car and the LBJ SS car in front of him, he then moved UP the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Alleged Hester's, moved Across the knoll, moved Down the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Newman Family, and somehow was STILL in front of his camera car which had Not even reached the Stemmons Sign by then. How long do you believe it took the middle aged Wiegman to do ALL of this? Plus, Couch was inside Camera Car #3 which was 2 cars behind Wiegman's car.  I bring up the Couch camera car #3 due to both Couch and Darnell being inside this car that was trailing behind the slow moving Wiegman camera car. It is obvious that these camera cars and everything behind them were either Not moving or moving at an absolute crawl.
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Re: Is This Our Man?
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2019, 05:52:56 AM »
      Everything you reference does Not provide an actual Time Stamp.  I believe that the middle aged Wiegman is a pretty good stop watch. He and the other photog's jumped out of their camera cars because they felt that on foot they could move faster than their camera cars were moving/inching along. Wiegman jumped out of his camera car #1 as it was turning onto Elm. He ran down Elm, STOPPED to film the Comm. Car and the LBJ SS car in front of him, he then moved UP the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Alleged Hester's, moved Across the knoll, moved Down the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Newman Family, and somehow was STILL in front of his camera car which had Not even reached the Stemmons Sign by then. How long do you believe it took the middle aged Wiegman to do ALL of this? Plus, Couch was inside Camera Car #3 which was 2 cars behind Wiegman's car.  I bring up the Couch camera car #3 due to both Couch and Darnell being inside this car that was trailing behind the slow moving Wiegman camera car. It is obvious that these camera cars and everything behind them were either Not moving or moving at an absolute crawl.

Royell,

Do you really think it took Clyde Haygood two to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from where he was when he heard the first shot ("just approaching Houston Street on Main Street") to the turn at Houston and Elm, or that he waited politely with the camera cars for however long the were stopped there?

Did he say anything about stopping in his Warren Commission testimony?

--  MWT  ;)

BTW,  Do you think DCM and TUM sat on the curb for three minutes, too?

The Newman family?  How long did they lie on the grass?

How long did it take for Mark Bell to walk down the infield grass and start filming from there?

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« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2019, 07:34:57 AM »
Bald spot man (BSM) appears to have his left hand out of his pocket and as he turns he looks down at whatever the blue coat guy (BCG) is holding (briefcase?) and either drops something into whatever the BCG is holding or just puts his left hand directly in his pocket. He definitely is looking at whatever the BCG is holding and the BCG responds by looking away. It does look suspicious but it's meaningless unless it can be established that this was Euins' BSM. If there was a transfer it was because BSM needed to ditch evidence and BCG was less likely to be searched.



Excellent analysis, Mr Trojan!  Thumb1:

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Re: Is This Our Man?
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2019, 09:24:59 AM »
Excellent analysis, Mr Trojan!  Thumb1:

Yes !!!!!!!

 

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