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Online Thomas Graves

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« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2019, 05:52:56 AM »
      Everything you reference does Not provide an actual Time Stamp.  I believe that the middle aged Wiegman is a pretty good stop watch. He and the other photog's jumped out of their camera cars because they felt that on foot they could move faster than their camera cars were moving/inching along. Wiegman jumped out of his camera car #1 as it was turning onto Elm. He ran down Elm, STOPPED to film the Comm. Car and the LBJ SS car in front of him, he then moved UP the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Alleged Hester's, moved Across the knoll, moved Down the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Newman Family, and somehow was STILL in front of his camera car which had Not even reached the Stemmons Sign by then. How long do you believe it took the middle aged Wiegman to do ALL of this? Plus, Couch was inside Camera Car #3 which was 2 cars behind Wiegman's car.  I bring up the Couch camera car #3 due to both Couch and Darnell being inside this car that was trailing behind the slow moving Wiegman camera car. It is obvious that these camera cars and everything behind them were either Not moving or moving at an absolute crawl.

Royell,

Do you really think it took Clyde Haygood two to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from where he was when he heard the first shot ("just approaching Houston Street on Main Street") to the turn at Houston and Elm, or that he waited politely with the camera cars for however long the were stopped there?

Did he say anything about stopping in his Warren Commission testimony?

--  MWT  ;)

BTW,  Do you think DCM and TUM sat on the curb for three minutes, too?

The Newman family?  How long did they lie on the grass?

How long did it take for Mark Bell to walk down the infield grass and start filming from there?

« Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 10:50:13 PM by Thomas Graves »

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« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2019, 07:34:57 AM »
Bald spot man (BSM) appears to have his left hand out of his pocket and as he turns he looks down at whatever the blue coat guy (BCG) is holding (briefcase?) and either drops something into whatever the BCG is holding or just puts his left hand directly in his pocket. He definitely is looking at whatever the BCG is holding and the BCG responds by looking away. It does look suspicious but it's meaningless unless it can be established that this was Euins' BSM. If there was a transfer it was because BSM needed to ditch evidence and BCG was less likely to be searched.



Excellent analysis, Mr Trojan!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2019, 09:24:59 AM »
Excellent analysis, Mr Trojan!  Thumb1:

Yes !!!!!!!

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« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2019, 10:03:11 PM »
Royell,

Do you really think it took Clyde Haygood two to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from where he was when he heard the first shot ("just approaching Houston Street on Main Street") to the turn at Houston and Elm, or that he waited politely with the camera cars for however long the were stopped there?

Did he say anything about stopping in his Warren Commission testimony?

--  MWT  ;)

     Based on the expertise displayed by Officer Haygood as he Dumped his motorcycle at the Elm Curb and then Struggled to bring the motorcycle upright, I could easily envision him reacting slowly to the mayhem unfolding before his eyes.

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« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2019, 10:41:22 PM »
     Based on the expertise displayed by Officer Haygood as he Dumped his motorcycle at the Elm Curb and then Struggled to bring the motorcycle upright, I could easily envision him reacting slowly to the mayhem unfolding before his eyes.

Royell,

Slowly, huh?

To make Haygood (who was chosen to be one of only four [the] motorcycle policemen escorting the President of the United States' motorcade) "fit" into you ridiculous"theory," you have him take close to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from near the intersection of Main and Houston to the Elm Street Curve, about seventy yards away.

LOL

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« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2019, 11:03:23 PM »
Royell,

Slowly, huh?

To make Haygood (who was chosen to be one of only four motorcycle policemen escorting the President of the United States' motorcade) "fit" into you ridiculous"theory," it took him close to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from near the intersection of Main and Houston to the Elm Street Curve, about seventy yards away.

LOL

--  MWT  ;)

         

            Haygood was actually positioned all the way back by Press Bus #1. There was also Far more than "Only four motorcycle policemen escorting the POTUS motorcade.." Your info in this area is lacking.

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« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2019, 11:39:44 PM »
Haygood was actually positioned all the way back by Press Bus #1. There was also Far more than "Only four motorcycle policemen escorting the POTUS motorcade.." Your info in this area is lacking.

In his WC testimony, Haygood said he was just approaching Houston Street on Main Street when he heard the first shot ring out.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

Regardless, how far from the Elm Street Curve do you think Press Bus # 1 and Haygood were at that time? 

ADVANCE CAR
PILOT CAR
LEAD CAR
PRESIDENTIAL LIMOUSINE
PRESIDENTIAL SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR
VICE PRESIDENTIAL CAR
VICE PRESIDENTIAL SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR
MAYOR'S CAR
NATIONAL PRESS POOL CAR
CAMERA CAR #1
CAMERA CAR #2
CAMERA CAR #3
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #1
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #2
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #3
VIP CAR
WHITE HOUSE PRESS BUS #1
LOCAL PRESS POOL CAR
WHITE HOUSE PRESS BUS #2
WASHINGTON PRESS ON TRIP (WHICH PRESS BUS ON
UNKNOWN)
EXTRA CAR #1
WESTERN UNION CAR
WHITE HOUSE SIGNAL CORPS CAR
EXTRA CAR #2
OFFICIAL PARTY BUS
REAR POLICE CAR

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf

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« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2019, 12:24:48 AM »
In his WC testimony, Haygood said he was just approaching Houston Street on Main Street when he heard the first shot ring out.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

Regardless, how far from the Elm Street Curve do you think Press Bus # 1 and Haygood were at that time? 

ADVANCE CAR
PILOT CAR
LEAD CAR
PRESIDENTIAL LIMOUSINE
PRESIDENTIAL SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR
VICE PRESIDENTIAL CAR
VICE PRESIDENTIAL SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR
MAYOR'S CAR
NATIONAL PRESS POOL CAR
CAMERA CAR #1
CAMERA CAR #2
CAMERA CAR #3
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #1
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #2
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #3
VIP CAR
WHITE HOUSE PRESS BUS #1
LOCAL PRESS POOL CAR
WHITE HOUSE PRESS BUS #2
WASHINGTON PRESS ON TRIP (WHICH PRESS BUS ON
UNKNOWN)
EXTRA CAR #1
WESTERN UNION CAR
WHITE HOUSE SIGNAL CORPS CAR
EXTRA CAR #2
OFFICIAL PARTY BUS
REAR POLICE CAR

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf

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       Guess you Now want to drop Your claiming there were Only 4 motorcycle cops in the JFK Motorcade? This is progress.  Obviously, Haygood was Still on Main St. That is WAY BEHIND the JFK Limo.

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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2019, 12:38:37 AM »
       Guess you Now want to drop Your claiming there were Only 4 motorcycle cops in the JFK Motorcade? This is progress.  Obviously, Haygood was Still on Main St. That is WAY BEHIND the JFK Limo.

Royell,

For purposes of our conversation, it doesn't matter how far Hayood was from JFK's limousine when the first shot rang out, but how far he was from Mal Couch's "parked" camera car # 3 he was.

Why? 

Because we know by watching the Couch-Darnell synchronized GIF that two characters who look like Lovelady and Shelly were "caught" walking down Elm Street Extension in Darnell just a couple of seconds before Haygood passes Couch's camera car # 3 in his part of the GIF.

Regardless, how far is WAY BEHIND?

You don't know?

There were only four cars between camera car # 3 and press bus # 1, close to which Haygood was riding during the motorcade before all hell broke loose.

Was Haygood so far up Main Street with press bus # 1 when the shots rang out that it took him three minutes to ride his highly-manueverable motorcycle to the Elm Street Curve?

LOL

--  MWT

PS  Do you think DCM and TUM sat on the curb for three minutes?

Do you think the Newman family lay on the grass for three minutes?

Do you think it took Mark Bell three minutes to climb down from the pedestal he was on by the reflecting pool and walk a few few closer to the infield grass and start filming again?
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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2019, 01:36:43 AM »
Royell,

For purposes of our conversation, it doesn't matter how far Hayood was from JFK's limousine when the first shot rang out, but how far he was from Mal Couch's "parked" camera car # 3 he was.

Why? 

Because we know by watching the Couch-Darnell synchronized GIF that two characters who look like Lovelady and Shelly were "caught" walking down Elm Street Extension in Darnell just a couple of seconds before Haygood passes Couch's camera car # 3 in his part of the GIF.

Regardless, how far is WAY BEHIND?

You don't know?

There were only four cars between camera car # 3 and press bus # 1, close to which Haygood was riding during the motorcade before all hell broke loose.

Was Haygood so far up Main Street with press bus # 1 when the shots rang out that it took him three minutes to ride his highly-manueverable motorcycle to the Elm Street Curve?

LOL

--  MWT

PS  Do you think DCM and TUM sat on the curb for three minutes?

Do you think the Newman family lay on the grass for three minutes?

Do you think it took Mark Bell three minutes to climb down from the pedestal he was on by the reflecting pool and walk a few few closer to the infield grass and start filming again?

        Get it right. It was 2-3 minutes. Why not just boil it down to 1 simple question? Do I think the middle aged Wiegman took 2-3 minutes to navigate the obstacle course he went through? Yes I do.

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