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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #220 on: February 15, 2020, 12:36:26 AM »
Whereas I don't believe Brewer saw Lee Harvey Oswald acting suspiciously or even saw him at all.
I think Johnny Brewer was directed to follow an individual that he was told sneaked into the theater. He did not get that good of look at him and that is why he didn't find him when he he first looked around. When the cops finally came, he was prompted to point out Oswald by this same individual. I still wonder what ever happened to the manager of that theater who left to go see what the cops were looking for. Why did he never show back up when the cops were all over his theater there?

I don't believe Brewer saw Lee Harvey Oswald acting suspiciously or even saw him at all.

IF??  IF??   Brewer saw Lee walk by his store, his tale about Him appearing scared simply clashes with all witnesses who recognized Lee Oswald and saw him after 12:30.   All of those who knew Lee by sight said that he acted completely normal.     Of course people like Brewer who want to convict Lee Oswald try to paint him as being scared and in flight......     

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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #221 on: February 15, 2020, 02:06:53 PM »
I don't believe Brewer saw Lee Harvey Oswald acting suspiciously or even saw him at all.

IF??  IF??   Brewer saw Lee walk by his store, his tale about Him appearing scared simply clashes with all witnesses who recognized Lee Oswald and saw him after 12:30.   All of those who knew Lee by sight said that he acted completely normal.     

"He looked like a maniac" is not completely normal.

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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #222 on: February 15, 2020, 03:57:51 PM »
"He looked like a maniac" is not completely normal.
If you choose to accept the word of a senile old busybody ( Mary Bledsoe) ....then it's your problem to wrestle with.....  Mrs Bledsoe may not have been on Mc Watter's bus...   Because she said that the bus she was on passed through the intersection of Houston & Elm AFTER the yellow barricade tapes were up ....And she saw the police taking a suspect away in handcuffs....   These events happened happened at about 1:00 O'clock.

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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #223 on: February 15, 2020, 05:08:10 PM »
Lee wasn't "in flight".... He knew the plan called for him to meet his  FBI handler in the Theater.   And that's where he was going.

When Ian Griggs talked to Johnny Brewer in 1996,  Griggs asked Brewer this question: So you asked Julie to contact the police and tell them what? 

Brewer replied:...Just that there was a suspicious person in there.   I still had no reason to have somebody call the police.  I'm not sure what the hell I'm doing here to start with. 

He hadn't seen the "frightened man" in the theater when he and Butch Burroughs searched the theater just minutes earlier....So why would he tell Julia Postal to call the police???

I'm not sure what the hell I'm doing here to start with. ...... John Calvin Brewer

Brewer told Ian Griggs that he was confused about "what the hell he was doing there in the theater, and telling Julia Postal to call the police....

IOW....  Brewer didn't know how he had got involved.....    We know that he didn't hear any radio report about an officer being shot in the area.   So WHAT caused him to leave his store and investigate the man that he said walked by his store.   

A theory for consideration.....  Is it possible that an FBI agent visited Brewers store on Friday morning and showed Brewer a photo of Lee Oswald and asked if he had seen this man ?      ????.....    If so.... then Brewer would have been alert to the fact that the FBI was looking for Oswald, so when Lee walked by Brewer wanted to see where he went, so he could notify the police.    I believe that Lee was supposed to meet his FBI handler in the Theater....and Lee would probably walk by Brewer's shoe store on the way to the theater.    So that FBI man could easily have alerted Brewer to be on the lookout for the fugitive  ...... 

I would remind those who doubt .... That at 2:45 pm 11/22/63,  FBI agent James Hosty told DPD Detective Jack Revill  that " A communist named Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the President"         (This happened less than an hour after Lee was dragged from the Texas theater. )  There had been NO investigation at all and yet Hosty was sent to the DPD by Hoover to sit in on the interrogation of Oswald.

It seems clear that Hoover was the puppet master who was controlling the puppets......

It should be obvious that Hosty knew that Lee Oswald was the sucker who was going to be blamed for the murder.....
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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #224 on: February 17, 2020, 03:41:52 PM »
One thing...Brewer did not submit an affidavit until two weeks after the event.
The cops had practically everybody else submitting affidavits that very day! Yet Brewer had a command position [supposedly] to ID a suspect right then and there at the theater. However, the cops made no attempt to further solicit his information at that time [apparently]
The Commission's chief bulldog [David Belin] seemed just chomping at the bit to interview this 'key' witness.I don't remember hearing any newscast about 'Secret Service rumors' :-\ Perhaps...but I doubt that anyone connected with the government inquiry reviewed the radio broadcasts concerning the policeman's shooting.
If I somehow fell asleep while listening or had an abundance of wax in my ears I want to know..If someone can locate when & where the announcement-of the patrolman's shooting-& or death- was made-prior to 1:45 please call this to our attention. Again ...I did not write that :) Throw straw all over the place but you can't change the facts. The [pretty much] exact time was stated by Brewer---1:30--But that was still even before the announcement of the president's death.
Dale Myers did not have the recordings that we do now.
 You do the math..beginning at the link the time was 1:37 CST [the official announcement of JFK's passing]
At 0:40 there is a suspect in custody [not Oswald] then they report a Dallas [police] Detective DOA at Parkland Hospital [hardly a suggestion of Tippit in Oak Cliff is it?] By 15:00 he apparently became a Secret Service man.
Certainly there was confusion that day and police were swarming all over Jefferson Blvd but not before the announcement of President Kennedy's death. 
 

.Brewer did not submit an affidavit until two weeks after the event.

One would suspect that an affidavit that was taken two weeks after the event would be for the benefit of the "investigators"....   And such an affidavit would be worthless......

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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #225 on: March 02, 2020, 04:28:42 AM »
        George Applin....Theater patron
It has been asked--  Why did Oswald go to the movies if he wasn't on the run as claimed. Why did any of the people that were there go to see a cartoon and a war movie? George Applin stated that before he entered the Texas Theater he had heard that JFK had been shot.
Didn't stop him.
Take a glance at his affidavit taken that afternoon...
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AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Eunice Sorrels, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared George Jefferson Applin, Jr., w/m [white male] 21, of 3423 Weisenberger Drive, Dallas, Dallas County, Texas who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

On Friday evening, November 22, 1963 at about 1:45 p.m., I was seated on the main floor of the Texas Theater on West Jefferson in Dallas, Texas. As I watched the movie I saw an officer walking down the isle [sic] with a riot gun and about that time the light came on in the theater. One of the patrolmen walked down to the front of the theater and walked back up the isle [sic] and I got up and started walking toward the front of the theater. I saw the officer shake two men down and then asked a man sitting by himself to stand up. As the officer started to shake him down, and when he did, this boy took a swing at the officer and then the next thing I could see was this boy had his arm around the officer's left shoulder and had a pistol in his hand. I heard the pistol snap at least once. Then I saw a large group of officers subdue this boy and arrest him.

/s/ George Jefferson Applin Jr.
3423 Weisenberger Drive
Dallas 12, Texas

FE7-3491

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22nd DAY OF November A.D. 1963

s/ Eunice Sorrels
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

Three weeks later according to an interview with the FBI...Applin had a more vivid and damning recollection regarding Oswald----
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673#relPageId=73&tab=page


In that FBI report it was told that Applin said when the cops came down the isles ...he got up and went to the lobby. Now wasn't that action what you might think... suspicious?
But the cops didn't notice that?
Also, there is no mention of Brewer and his searching around. According to Applin there were only 5 or 6 people sitting downstairs.
So what was Brewer's problem? And also, no mention of Brewer up on the screen stage pointing out a suspect.

Applin testified Apr 2 '64....
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Mr. BALL - Now, November 22, 1963, were you in Dallas?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes; I believe I was.
Mr. BALL - What were you doing here?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I was working for the Rollform Corp.
Mr. BALL - How do you spell it?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I have got one of their checks--check stubs here in my pocket, I believe. At least I think I have. Here it is [indicating].
Mr. BALL - What were you doing in Dallas?
Mr. APPLIN - Working.
Mr. BALL - Working here in Dallas?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What kind of work?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I was working as, open-head crane operator, and painter and front-end loader.
Mr. BALL - Did you go to the picture show that afternoon?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - How did you happen to be off duty that day?
Mr. APPLIN - They was installing a new cutting press for the rollers, and they did not need me, so, they let me off for 2 days.
Applin couldn't spell the name of his own company--- ROLLFORM :-\
He "believed" he was in Dallas Nov 22. I absolutely know for sure I was. I guess he was nervous.
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Mr. BALL - What time of day did you go there?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, actually, I went to---I was over in Oak Cliff, around about, I guess, about 12 o'clock, I imagine is what time it was. I was there and the show hadn't opened up, so, I was sitting in my car listening to the radio up until the time that the show opened.
Mr. BALL - You went in the show when it opened?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Paid your way?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And where did you take your seat? What part of the theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - About six rows down, I got in the middle aisle, about the middle of the chairs.
Mr. BALL - Middle aisle, six rows from the rear?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were how far from the middle aisle into the row of seats?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about--seemed quite a little while since I thought about this. I guess I was about four or five seats over from the aisle.
Mr. BALL - From the aisle. Now, did something happen there during that showing of that picture that you remember?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, I know this much, Audie Murphy introduced the picture.
Mr. BALL - Then some police officers came in there?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; the lights came on.
Audie Murphy was there?
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Mr. BALL - Did he have anything in his hands?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes; I believe he had a shotgun. Might have been a rifle.
Mr. BALL - What else did you see?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when I seen him, I was wondering what was the matter and what about the lights.
Mr. BALL - You got up and ran up to the front?
Mr. APPLIN - Went to the front to find out what was happened--was happened-- happening. As I was going up an officer passed me going down and I stopped to find out.
Mr. BALL - Did you ask him?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; he passed me before I got a chance to ask him.
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Mr. APPLIN - Well, he stopped and asked two boys sitting down in the front, asked them to stand up and----
Mr. BALL - Did he search them?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; they shuffled them down.
Mr. BALL - Did he search you?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; they came on up to Oswald, where he was sitting.
Mr. BALL - Where was he sitting?
Mr. APPLIN - I--he was sitting, I guess, about 3 or 4 rows down.
Mr. BALL - You mean from the rear of the theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - From the rear.
If the cops were looking for one guy and Applin, a young male, being perhaps who they were looking for...well, do you wonder?
And then why would the cops "shake down" a couple of kids when they were searching for this one 5'10" @30 yrs old 165 lbs guy?
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Mr. BALL - Then, you were about four rows away from where Oswald was----
Mr. APPLIN - Apprehended.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear the officer, what he said?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; heard mainly what both of them said.
Mr. BALL - What did the officer say?
Mr. APPLIN - The officer said, "Will you stand up, please."
Mr. BALL - What did the man say?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, he just stood up.
Mr. BALL - Did he say anything?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; I didn't hear him say anything at that time.
Mr. BALL - And what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when he stood up, the officer stepped over to search him down. The officer, Oswald, or the man, took a swing at him. When he did, the officer grabbed him.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him with his fist?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL - With his left or right?
Mr. APPLIN - Right fist.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
"Will you stand up please"
We have a more polite altercation than was stated in the FBI report.
Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
A different reaction than was in the FBI report...where the narrative was "Oswald instantly drew a pistol and fired point blank at a cop and the pistol just clicked harmlessly"
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Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
Mr. BALL - What did the officer do?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer was scuffling with him there, and----
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about the only thing I heard was the snap of the gun and the officer saying, "Here he is."
Mr. BALL - You heard the snap of a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.

Once again we see that the FBI changed or someone else changed a report to further incriminate Oswald.
"I guess it was Oswald"
By testimony time it was just so much guesswork anyway.

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Re: Back to the movies with Julia Postal
« Reply #226 on: March 02, 2020, 04:28:59 PM »
        George Applin....Theater patron
It has been asked--  Why did Oswald go to the movies if he wasn't on the run as claimed. Why did any of the people that were there go to see a cartoon and a war movie? George Applin stated that before he entered the Texas Theater he had heard that JFK had been shot.
Didn't stop him.
Take a glance at his affidavit taken that afternoon...
Three weeks later according to an interview with the FBI...Applin had a more vivid and damning recollection regarding Oswald----
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673#relPageId=73&tab=page


In that FBI report it was told that Applin said when the cops came down the isles ...he got up and went to the lobby. Now wasn't that action what you might think... suspicious?
But the cops didn't notice that?
Also, there is no mention of Brewer and his searching around. According to Applin there were only 5 or 6 people sitting downstairs.
So what was Brewer's problem? And also, no mention of Brewer up on the screen stage pointing out a suspect.

Applin testified Apr 2 '64....Applin couldn't spell the name of his own company--- ROLLFORM :-\
He "believed" he was in Dallas Nov 22. I absolutely know for sure I was. I guess he was nervous.Audie Murphy was there?                                                              ?If the cops were looking for one guy and Applin, a young male, being perhaps who they were looking for...well, do you wonder?
And then why would the cops "shake down" a couple of kids when they were searching for this one 5'10" @30 yrs old 165 lbs guy?"Will you stand up please"
We have a more polite altercation than was stated in the FBI report.
Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
A different reaction than was in the FBI report...where the narrative was "Oswald instantly drew a pistol and fired point blank at a cop and the pistol just clicked harmlessly"
Once again we see that the FBI changed or someone else changed a report to further incriminate Oswald.
"I guess it was Oswald"
By testimony time it was just so much guesswork anyway.

Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.


Hmmmm.... Did Lee change his shirt again before leaving the theater??....  I believe the photos of Lee being dragged from the theater show that he was wearing a LONG SLEEVED SHIRT...... 

Soooo...WHO was wearing a short sleeved shirt and holding a revolver?

 

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