Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 06:58:19 PM »
If you believe that 'a man walking away from the stairway' on 'the third or fourth floor' was Mr Oswald by the second-floor lunchroom, then you'll believe anything.

Well said, Mr Ford....   Anybody who believes that Baker was referring to the encounter with Lee in the lunchroom when he described the man on either the third or fourth floor ( possibly the fifth) ....Should have their picture next to the definition of "gullible" .......

Indeed so, Mr Cakebread!

Difficult to see though how the man at the stairway on the third or fourth floor could be Mr Dougherty, who was blond and 6'1"

-------------unless they told Officer Baker at DPD HQ his recollection was wrong and these were the correct suspect details that he needed to put in his affidavit?
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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 07:09:46 PM »
Indeed so, Mr Cakebread!

Difficult to see though how the man at the stairway on the third or fourth floor could be Mr Dougherty, who was blond and 6'1"

-------------unless they told Officer Baker at DPD HQ his recollection was wrong and these were the correct suspect details that he needed to put in his affidavit?

Mr. BELIN - Did you notice what clothes the man was wearing as he came up to you?
Mr. BAKER - At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt.
Anyway, as I noticed him walking away from me, it was kind of dim in there that particular day, and it was hanging out to his side.

You present a good counterpoint in pointing out that Dougherty was 6'1".....   I don't know what "blond" means....  There are many shades of "blond" 

 

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 08:50:57 PM »
Captain Fritz wrote this for Chief Curry, Mr Craig. He's still stuck in Script A mode here, recounting the original story DPD were going to run with.

Captain Fritz's wording ('while coming down the stairs... on the stairway') makes clear what Baker's affidavit 'walking away from the stairway' was meant to convey:

The man was coming off the stairway when Officer Baker ran into him.

Nothing like the lunchroom story that subsequently... 'emerged'!

TThe man was coming off the stairway when Officer Baker ran into him.

"Coming off the stairway"....  Yes, I believe that's a fact..... I strongly suspect that the encounter took place on the fifth floor.....  I doubt that it could have occurred on the fourth floor because there were several women on the fourth floor...and the third floor was only one floor up from the second floor lunchroom, where Baker had encountered Lee Oswald......It's not likely that Baker wouldn't have known that he'd just left a man in the lunchroom one floor down. and had climbed only one floor....




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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 09:52:33 PM »
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice what clothes the man was wearing as he came up to you?
Mr. BAKER - At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt.
Anyway, as I noticed him walking away from me, it was kind of dim in there that particular day, and it was hanging out to his side.

You present a good counterpoint in pointing out that Dougherty was 6'1".....   I don't know what "blond" means....  There are many shades of "blond" 


Hmmm... "30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair" doesn't sound right for "great big husky" Mr Dougherty (as Mr Truly described him), no matter what the lighting. But I wouldn't close off the possibility that Baker was persuaded to amend the details for his affidavit. This before seeing Mr Oswald marched into the office.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 10:22:52 PM »
Hmmm... "30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair" doesn't sound right for "great big husky" Mr Dougherty (as Mr Truly described him), no matter what the lighting. But I wouldn't close off the possibility that Baker was persuaded to amend the details for his affidavit. This before seeing Mr Oswald marched into the office.

I believe the man that Baker saw on the  5th ?  floor was an employee....  What employee fit that description?   

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2019, 11:27:06 PM »

   All anyone has to do is look at the floor plan for the TSBD 2nd Floor. If Oswald had come Down that stairwell and then ducked into the vestibule, he would have utilized the Other Door inside that vestibule. That Other Door permits access to a hallway which leads to a Down stairway. That stairway empties within feet of the TSBD Front Door. Easy Peasy into the streetsy. 

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2019, 11:37:46 PM »
   All anyone has to do is look at the floor plan for the TSBD 2nd Floor. If Oswald had come Down that stairwell and then ducked into the vestibule, he would have utilized the Other Door inside that vestibule. That Other Door permits access to a hallway which leads to a Down stairway. That stairway empties within feet of the TSBD Front Door. Easy Peasy into the streetsy.

Good point, Royell....  Why the hell would a "fleeing assassin" corner himself by ducking into the lunchroom , when he had easy exit out of the building simply by taking the door into the second floor office area.

Lee was Not a fleeing assassin ....He was a chump who had been duped by conniving CIA type minds .  He had gone to the second floor lunchroom to get a Coke and that's where he was when JFK was ambushed.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2019, 12:03:47 AM »
I believe the man that Baker saw on the  5th ?  floor was an employee....  What employee fit that description?

Mr Oswald came close enough--which was probably the point!

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2019, 02:39:13 AM »
Mr Oswald came close enough--which was probably the point!

We know it was not Lee Oswald.....  So WHO was it that Truly vouched for ?

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2019, 04:57:31 AM »
We know it was not Lee Oswald.....  So WHO was it that Truly vouched for ?

Julia Postal's boss. He was there to pick up Lee and drive him to the Theater but Baker held him up and Lee had to find his own way to the picture show, a little later. It's close to Halloween.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/59566461/john-august-callahan

The gaps in our awareness are routinely labeled "mysterious"....
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Bill Simpich - Posted October 23, 2019

.....It is intriguing to note that the news story reports that it was the mysterious manager John Callahan who turned the lights on and exposed LHO to the police.  Postal said that just as Oswald entered the building, Callahan came running out the other way, and "got in his car...to see where (the police) were going."  Another report says that the "manager on duty" had seen one man in the theater "since 12:05".  To my knowledge, Callahan was never questioned by anybody.
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http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/tomgreen/obits/2001/051501.txt
  JOHN AUGUST CALLAHAN
   
   John  August  Callahan,  85, passed away Monday, May 14, 2001, after a
   brief  illness.  He was born in Palestine, Texas, on Sept. 6, 1915. He
   married Mildred Patrick, also of Palestine, on May 26, 1941. He served
   overseas  in the Signal Corps and in the Merchant Marines in World War
   II.
   
   He  began  his  long  employment with Rowley United Theatres, later to
   become  United  Artists,  in  Palestine.  He  was later transferred to
   Dallas  as  city  manager of the theaters there. While in Dallas, John
   was  an active member of the Knights of Columbus, Oak Cliff Lions Club
   and  the  Variety Club. He and his family moved to San Angelo in 1966,
   where  he  served  as city manager of United Artist Theatres until his
   retirement in 1980.
   
   He  was  a  Lions Club member for 55 years and a past president of the
   Downtown  Lions  Club  in San Angelo, as well as past exalted ruler of
   the  Benevolent  Order  of  Elks.  John  was  a  member of Holy Angels
   Catholic Church......
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