Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?


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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #216 on: November 02, 2019, 03:29:27 AM »
     Maybe you have limited experience with multi floored structures? I have worked at structures 11 stories tall. 1 continuous stairway ALL the way up is common.  I never said anything about there being an issue of "navigation".  You mention some "fire concerns". Short and simple, if you look at images of the massive amount of junk scattered hither and yon inside the TSBD, that place Was a Fire Trap.
After further review...there is a separate staircase around the corner of the entrance that went up to the second floor to a maze of offices and hallways. As far as 'my experience' goes...the TSBD was built as a farm machinery warehouse in around 1910. So, in modern buildings, we know that usually the first access to upper floors are elevators. Presently, the old TSBD are Dallas County offices [except for the museum areas]

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« Reply #217 on: November 05, 2019, 08:18:40 PM »
Friends, it has been claimed by Mr Stancak that this is Ms Pauline Sanders in the Darnell film (yellow box):



But! A viewing of this frame in context (the penultimate frame here below) shows not only that this one-frame phenomenon is not Ms Sanders but that...................it's not even a head!



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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #218 on: February 13, 2020, 03:13:07 AM »
The fact that Oswald had a coca cola seemed to mess up the timeline as to what Oswald was able to do within the timeline if he was said to have shot JFK and hide the rifle and then make his way down to the lunchroom and already have a Coca cola ! Marion Baker thought that his timeline from the end of the shooting to the time of his face to face meeting with Oswald with his pistol drawn was 90 seconds . Someone seems to have Oswald doing a lot from the end of the shots to the meeting of Baker and himself in the lunch room . Oswald seemed to have the metabolism of a slow moving person but yet we are led to believe this guy was a mover and a shaker ! I don't think Baker lied but I'm not real sure about Truly !


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« Reply #219 on: February 13, 2020, 05:43:55 PM »
The fact that Oswald had a coca cola seemed to mess up the timeline as to what Oswald was able to do within the timeline if he was said to have shot JFK and hide the rifle and then make his way down to the lunchroom and already have a Coca cola ! Marion Baker thought that his timeline from the end of the shooting to the time of his face to face meeting with Oswald with his pistol drawn was 90 seconds . Someone seems to have Oswald doing a lot from the end of the shots to the meeting of Baker and himself in the lunch room . Oswald seemed to have the metabolism of a slow moving person but yet we are led to believe this guy was a mover and a shaker ! I don't think Baker lied but I'm not real sure about Truly !

FWIW.... Mike.....  Both Baker and Truly started lying when it became apparent that Lee couldn't possibly have been at the SE corner of the sixth fllor and firing a rifle out of the window at !230, and then be in the 2nd floor lunchroom drinking a Coke at 12:31 :30.    They were bent on framing Lee Oswald, and they lied to accomplish that objective.

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« Reply #220 on: February 13, 2020, 06:07:09 PM »
After further review...there is a separate staircase around the corner of the entrance that went up to the second floor to a maze of offices and hallways. As far as 'my experience' goes...the TSBD was built as a farm machinery warehouse in around 1910. So, in modern buildings, we know that usually the first access to upper floors are elevators. Presently, the old TSBD are Dallas County offices [except for the museum areas]

there is a separate staircase around the corner of the entrance that went up to the second floor to a maze of offices and hallways.

What would the logical thing for a police officer ( or anybody) to do, if they entered the building and wanted to get to the upper floors ??

Would they have looked for the arrows that pointed to the stairs to the upper floors? ....Or would they have stood there scratching heir head in trying to decide how to get upstairs?

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« Reply #221 on: February 13, 2020, 06:51:24 PM »
What would the logical thing for a police officer ( or anybody) to do, if they entered the building and wanted to get to the upper floors ??
According to the story...a man told the cop that he was the bldg manager--and to follow him.

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« Reply #222 on: February 13, 2020, 08:00:10 PM »
According to the story...a man told the cop that he was the bldg manager--and to follow him.

Thank you, Jerry, and yes that is the official tale.... But does it make sense ??   When Baker ran into the TSBD he would have been looking for a way to get upstairs ASAP.  And the stairs to the second floor were clearly marked with an arrow ( Baker would have had no way of knowing that the stairs only went to the second floor and then the passageway through the second floor was blocked by a swinging gate that had a latch)   It is logical that at this point Baker might have asked anybody at hand ( like Roy Truly) how to get to the roof......Or perhaps Baker had already gone to the second floor and found that he could not get through and returned to the first floor.....I don't know ...but the official tale just smells a bit fishy....     

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #223 on: February 13, 2020, 08:27:34 PM »
The card is linked to Oswald, per the assassination investigation and Tippit murder investigation. The only evidence linking same or similar card to Nagell is a photocopy of unknown provenance.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49560/m1/1/?q=oswald%20identification



http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/W%20Disk/White%20Jack/Item%2008.pdf


Who can explain the reason the "official looking" circular "stamp" to fill the quarter round space at the right hand corner of the ID photo was made by using a quarter dollar US coin and a date stamp....    If you doubt that the "stamp was made by using a quarter and an ink pad...Just get a good copy of the document and you can read the word QUARTER  ( spelled backwards ) and you can scale the photo to find that the round "stamp" is exactly the size of a quarter.


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