Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #200 on: October 31, 2019, 07:02:57 AM »
When Dick Russell published his book The Man Who Knew Too Much  we learned that Richard Case Nagell had dispatched ( murdered) a man who was using the name Lee Oswald on September (20 ?) 1963.   Nagell had been ordered to find "Oswald" and snuff him.....   And he did.    He removed papers and ID from the dead man and among the ID cards was a copy of a card that Lee Oswald had in his possession on 11 /22/63.  The card was a "uniformed Services Identification card " bearing the number N 4, 271,617.   The card that Lee had in his possession bore a photo of Lee Oswald...But the card that Nagell removed from the body of the impostor had a different photo.

...said Nagell, not Russell, not anyone else. Just have to take Nagell's word for it, and he was dropped on his head.





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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #201 on: October 31, 2019, 01:51:05 PM »
...said Nagell, not Russell, not anyone else. Just have to take Nagell's word for it, and he was dropped on his head.




There is a photo of the card on page 109 of Jesse Curry's book JFK Assassination File    Page 109

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #202 on: October 31, 2019, 02:04:44 PM »
...said Nagell, not Russell, not anyone else. Just have to take Nagell's word for it, and he was dropped on his head.
What does all this have to do with Truly and Baker?
 
Truly said he was already on the staircase to the third floor when he realized that Baker was no longer behind him and turned around and came back down.
Which is even stranger. Which one was the law enforcement officer? Cops usually tell citizens to get out of the way..especially if they have their side-arm pulled. The idea that Baker could not advance without Truly's help is ludicrous.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #203 on: October 31, 2019, 02:27:24 PM »
Truly said he was already on the staircase to the third floor when he realized that Baker was no longer behind him and turned around and came back down.

A couple of weeks after the coup d e'tat, the magazine US News and World Report published a story hat included an interview of Roy Truly. Truly gave a description of the second floor lunchroom encounter with Lee Oswald that is quite different than the version that was handed us by LBJ's cover up committee.

Wouldn't be great if Mr Scully would post the story that appeared in US News and World report .....

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #204 on: October 31, 2019, 02:40:06 PM »
....   He removed papers and ID from the dead man and among the ID cards was a copy of a card that Lee Oswald had in his possession on 11 /22/63.  The card was a "uniformed Services Identification card " bearing the number N 4, 271,617.   The card that Lee had in his possession bore a photo of Lee Oswald...But the card that Nagell removed from the body of the impostor had a different photo.

There is a photo of the card on page 109 of Jesse Curry's book JFK Assassination File    Page 109

The card is linked to Oswald, per the assassination investigation and Tippit murder investigation. The only evidence linking same or similar card to Nagell is a photocopy of unknown provenance.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49560/m1/1/?q=oswald%20identification



http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/W%20Disk/White%20Jack/Item%2008.pdf

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #205 on: October 31, 2019, 03:04:27 PM »
The card is linked to Oswald, per the assassination investigation and Tippit murder investigation. The only evidence linking same or similar card to Nagell is a photocopy of unknown provenance.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49560/m1/1/?q=oswald%20identification



I'd love to discuss the card with you, but this is not the thread for that.....

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #206 on: October 31, 2019, 03:09:31 PM »
When Dick Russell published his book The Man Who Knew Too Much  we learned that Richard Case Nagell had dispatched ( murdered) a man who was using the name Lee Oswald on September (20 ?) 1963.   Nagell had been ordered to find "Oswald" and snuff him.....   And he did.    He removed papers and ID from the dead man and among the ID cards was a copy of a card that Lee Oswald had in his possession on 11 /22/63.  The card was a "uniformed Services Identification card " bearing the number N 4, 271,617.   The card that Lee had in his possession bore a photo of Lee Oswald...But the card that Nagell removed from the body of the impostor had a different photo.

The card is linked to Oswald, per the assassination investigation and Tippit murder investigation. The only evidence linking same or similar card to Nagell is a photocopy of unknown provenance.
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I'd love to discuss the card with you, but this is not the thread for that.....

This is "the thread" in which BSers BS, (distract) the readers, as happens in almost every thread of this forum. You presented unsupported BS.
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #207 on: October 31, 2019, 03:18:07 PM »
In William Manchesterís Death Of A President ...Truly is quoted as: Roy Truly, who didnít believe the races were meant to mix, later doubted that -- Roy Trulyís Warren Commission testimony:Which doesn't make any sense if the story went that Baker already had his gun pointed at Oswald when Truly arrived and said that Oswald worked in the building. So who lied there? The Oswalddidits wont respond.

   The TSBD had a screwy floor plan concerning the stairs. The stairwell that Baker/Truly entered on the ground floor ended/emptied onto the 2nd Floor. Baker/Truly had to travel several feet on the 2nd floor to gain access to another stairwell which went Up from that point on the 2nd Floor. They could have become separated while moving on the 2nd floor amidst switching from one stairwell to the other. 
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #208 on: October 31, 2019, 04:04:25 PM »
1. Mr Storing is 'confused' only in the sense that he can't get his own schtick straight. This constitutes what he would call 'an immediate disqualifier'!  :D

2. You're not looking very closely at the relative elevations of PrayerMan in Wiegman and PrayerMan in Darnell. Try again!  Thumb1:

3. Your repeated use of the term prayerblob is understandable-----you know PrayerMan doesn't remotely resemble Ms Sarah Stanton, so you exaggerate the indecipherability of his features!  :D

4. You don't find my 'many photos' (sic) confusing, you just don't want Mr Oswald to be outside!


Alan, you are WAY off if you think I have concluded Oswald cannot be out there somewhere  at the front entrance. Its just that at the current time, the prayerblob is too short at 5'3" to be the 5'9" Oswald.

When you have to start explaining this anomally by suggesting prayerblob is maintaining a very awkward position with one foot on lower step and other foot on upper landing, it begins to become a little bit like the WC explaining the single bullet trajectory by distorting JFKs body position and exaggerating his neck curvature, and moving him closer to Gov Connally, as in Myers computer graphic.

So I have to respectfully be skeptical for the time being until some other measurement or something else shows why the Prayerblob is only 5'3"

The width of the Prayerblob imo is also a bit too wide to be slender Oswald
The shirt sleeves are rolled up which would be a question if Oswald meets Baker at the entrance or just inside the lobby which may or may not be the ""vestibule" reference, why Baker does not mention such detail
The hair of Prayerblob is too bushy in the back to be similar enough to Oswald tapered short cut hair imo

But Im not exclusively stating that prayerblob is Sarah Stanton either. Just that the relatives seem to have stated that the figure at least in volume, does appear to be similar to that of Stanton.

The computer programmed enlargement of the face, imo is NOT very convincing at all that the face is Stanton. But equally, it is not very convincing that it could be Oswalds face either. So I cannot definitively state that prayerblob is Oswald any more than it is Stanton. Imo, the computer imaging program is a glitched program and is not a reliable one.

So absent definitive proof, i have no choice but to attempt logical deduction method  and that is why imo, the corner is a LOGICAL place where a large 300 lb woman would stand, in order to:

A. Be out of the way and not an obstruction to other people entering/exiting the front door. This is something a large fat person would be self consciously aware of and more likely to wish to avoid being an obstruction.
B. Be able to have a much better LOS to Elm st to view the limo, much better than where Stanton was originally, according to Pauline Sanders, BESIDE Sanders which would place Stanton behind BWF, Shelly, and in front of the entrance door.
C. Be in a position that BWF appears to be looking at during the portion of Couch/Darnell films coincident with Gloria Cavalry having arrived at the base of the front steps, which BWF suggests that is the que when he and Stanton glanced at each other, as they heard Gloria Cavalry exclaim that JFK had been shot.
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #209 on: October 31, 2019, 08:26:14 PM »
Who missed Lee the most?


 

 

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