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Online Tom Scully

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 06:47:12 PM »
Now you can receive right wing, pro-Trump-Putin talking points served up by.... Jim DiEugenio.

What a poor, hollowed out joke the Ed Forum has become. And, if this "expert" has so little discernment about this, and about who Jim Garrison actually was, why does he enjoy the respect extended to him by "likeminded" readers?

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OCTOBER 15, 2019 AT 6:53 AM
Tom Scully says:

I like Jim DiEugenio personally, and I think he usually does good work,
but in this instance, Jim is actually protecting Nicholas B. Lemann,
author of the 1992 article published in GQ Magazine attacking, Garrison
and co-screenplay writers of “JFK the Movie, Oliver Stone and Zachary
Sklar. Sklar also served as editor of Garrison’s autobiography. Garrison
failed to reveal to Sklar or to author Joan Mellen a detail Clay Shaw had
learned in March, 1967, from former CIA agent and Shaw Trademart employee,
David G. Baldwin, III, that Garrison’s wife, “Liz” Ziegler Garrison, was
first cousin of Baldwin and his brother, Edward, and godchild of David.
David G. Baldwin’s wife was step-sister of WDSU outside counsel Garrison
informed the FCC in a June, 1967, letter, was distributing Central
Intelligence Agency funds to attorneys representing subjects of interest
in Garrison’s investigation.
OCTOBER 17, 2019 AT 7:15 AM
Tom Scully says:

Mark, (Mick) In their book, “JFK: The Book of the Film : the Documented Screenplay,” Oliver Stone & Z. Sklar push back against Nicholas B. Lemann, the strongest critic, of their film at least four times. DiEugenio has refused to even discuss “the problem.” Lemann’s step-aunt, step-sister of his father, Thomas, the daughter of his step-grandmother, Mildred Crumb Lemann, was married to former covert CIA officer David G. Baldwin. Baldwin told Shaw, by letter, in March, 1967, that he was godfather and first cousin (cousin, as was his brother, Edward) of Garrison’s wife, “Liz” Ziegler. Shaw, Lemann, and Garrison kept all of that a secret. Click on my “sig” to read entire interview. From a 2006 interview of author Joan Mellen, by Rex Bradford:
“JOAN: – when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….”

"George P.'s" undoing is directly in the lap of this man. Through internal diplomatic channels, he reported to his own government, as he should have, the drunken ramblings of Trump campaign "covefe" boy, George P. With no fact supported defense, "team Trump", ginned up face saving propaganda, mashing it up and spitting it out as something sinister and exculpatory for Trump, and DiEugenio runs with it.
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Alexander John Gosse Downer AC (born 9 September 1951) is a former Australian politician and diplomat who was leader of the Liberal Party from 1994 to 1995, Minister for Foreign Affairs from 1996 to 2007, and High Commissioner to the United Kingdom from 2014 to 2018.....

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On 21 October, 2019 James DiEugenio said:
Look, Mr. Wheeler proved long ago that almost every person that George P met abroad was an FBI informer or asset.  (He actually thinks they were really CIA, but I will only go as far as FBI)

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BILL BARR RISKS BECOMING GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS’ COFFEE BOY
IT'S CRAZY ENOUGH THAT BILL BARR TREATS GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS' HOAXES SERIOUSLY....
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George Papadopoulos:
I’m not a conspiracy theorist. Everything I’ve ever tweeted or — probably, if that’s what you’re referring to, it’s just backed by things I’ve read in the media. George Papadopoulos
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MARK MEADOWS ALLOWED PAPADOPOULOS TO TELL A LESS DAMNING FAIRY TALE BY NEGLECTING TO GET BACKUP EMAILS FROM HIM FIRST
This charade, letting a witness testify to Congress not about what he personally knows, but what he read about himself, often what he read in propaganda outlets relying on sketchy sources, would be bad enough. It was made far, far worse because of a simple fact about the hearing: the Republicans who set it up (and this appears to have been run almost entirely by Mark Meadows) did not, first, demand that Papadopoulos provide the backup documents that would make such questioning even remotely worthwhile.

As a result, Papadopoulos responded to question after question that went to the substance of his sustained interest in working with Russia with vague claims about what he did and did not remember and a offer, instead, to share the emails that might pinpoint what he really knew and did. Over and over, he happens to tell a story that is less damning.

Whether out of forgetfulness or deceit, for example, Papadopoulos foreshortens two things about the campaign: first, the claimed date when the campaign started covering up its ties to Russia, which was July, not May.
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Q You said also that you continued to suggest this Trump-Putin summit, but eventually, you found out that the campaign just wasn’t interested. Can you tell me the process by which you came to understand that the campaign wasn’t interested in setting up a Trump-Putin meeting?

A Yes. As I remember it, by the time Manafort took the helm of the campaign, I just emailed him, Are we interested in this or not? I think I forwarded to him an email from Ivan Timofeev where he’s asking for a letter to be signed by the campaign if this is a serious proposal or not, something like that. And I don’t think I ever received a response from Manafort. And you just put two and two together, no one’s interested, so stop it.

He also foreshortens the time he was in contact with Mifsud, which extended even after the election.

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Q When was the last time you remember communicating with Professor Misfud?

A Off the top of my memory I think it was the summer of 2016.
Perhaps the most glaring instance of this, however, pertains to whether Walid Phares was involved in pursuing a secret meeting with Russia that would have taken place at the precise time Papadopoulos was in London getting interviewed by Stefan Halper. Papadopoulos answered a question about whether he discussed the secret meeting with Phares not by answering, but by saying he wasn’t sure it was in the emails.
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Q You mentioned a number of emails where both of you would have been copied. Did you and Mr. Phares have any direct communication just the two of you?

A We met face to face at the TAG Summit. And then we obviously met at the March 31st meeting. And I can’t remember if we met another time in person or not. But we certainly were in correspondence for months over email.

Q Did you discuss your efforts to set up the Putin-Trump meeting with Mr. Phares?

A I’m not sure he was copied on those particular emails, but I could send whatever emails I have with him to the committee. It’s fine with me.
As the Mueller Report
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6002293/190322-Redacted-Mueller-Report.pdf
makes clear, very very damning details about precisely this topic were in Papadopoulos’ emails.
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Papadopoulos remembered discussing Russia and a foreign policy trip with Clovis and Phares during the event.484 Papadopoulos’s recollection is consistent with emails sent before and after the TAG summit. The pre-summit messages included a July 11, 2016 email in which Phares suggested meeting Papadopoulos the day after the summit to chat,485 and a July 12 message in the same chain in which Phares advised Papadopoulos that other summit attendees “are very nervous about Russia. So be aware.”486 Ten days after the summit, Papadopoulos sent an email to Mifsud listing Phares and Clovis as other “participants” in a potential meeting at the London Academy of Diplomacy.487
This is what any hearing with George Papadopoulos should be about, details that would make any allegation that his claim, in mid-September, that he had nothing to do with Russia would be inculpatory, not exculpatory. But that’s not the hearing Mark Meadows decided to stage.

According to someone familiar with the aftermath of this hearing, Papadopoulos never did supply the emails he promised, at least not in a way such that they got shared with Democratic staffers.

PAPADOPOULOS TELLS CONGRESS THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE BEHIND ALLEGATIONS THAT THE MAIN SOURCE FOR HIS ALLEGATIONS MADE
But don’t take my word — or the public record — for it. Take the word of the hearing’s star witness, George Papadopoulos. He told Congress that there was no substance to the allegations that Stephan Roh, the Mifsud lawyer whose conspiracies Bill Barr is currently chasing, had made that he, Papadopoulos, was a western intelligence operative.
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Q Are you aware that in a Daily Caller article, Mr. Roh has referred to you as a western intelligence operative?

A I wasn’t aware of that, but I was aware he wrote a book where he speculated that I could be that, but of course I don’t know this person beyond a couple of emails and phone calls, so, of course, he has no substance behind any allegations.
So on the one subject about which Papadopoulos claimed to have first hand knowledge here, he said Roh was making stuff up.

And yet, Bill Barr still treats Roh’s other allegations — the ones laundered through propaganda outlets — as true.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 06:47:12 PM »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 07:42:11 PM »
Is Paul trying to imply that LNs are Hillary supporting Leftwing Kooks?

Please, NO.. I cannot believe a Bill Brown would be that far over the edge... Please.. NOT BILL.

And John Mytton...surely Mytton, the guy with all the logical reasons lined up neatly and numbered 1 thru 53 just like Bugliosi, his mentor, is NOT possible to have lost his mind enough to vote for Socialism Marxism..

note here: Im NOT shaming anyone here, dont misunderstand me. I respect your poltical views even IF you are Kooks drinking the Koolaid, but I just cant see this stark definition of CTs as being ONLY Trump supporters and LNS being ONLY  anti Trump.. This is a LEAP of spectulation imo, and I am surprised Paul would even bother with such speculations.

Paul.. are you SURE its really YOU?? Maybe the Mandela effect has altered the timeline again, and you are not quite the same Paul? :)

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Offline Steve Logan

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 08:49:43 PM »
And in spite of all this harrumphing look at the three assclowns that the Dems are offering up. Trump , the pompous ass that he is , will win in a landslide. We'll have many more Vagina hat parades and mental breakdowns from the snowflakes. Please Dems you gotta come up with something better than what is out there. Your presenting a total of SUCK.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 09:03:35 PM »
And in spite of all this harrumphing look at the three assclowns that the Dems are offering up. Trump , the pompous ass that he is , will win in a landslide. We'll have many more Vagina hat parades and mental breakdowns from the snowflakes. Please Dems you gotta come up with something better than what is out there. Your presenting a total of SUCK.

LOL ! Media pushing line of a Klobacher "rise". They interviewed attendees at her meetings (too small to be called rallies...)
They all looked older than me, and I've had to give up beer, as you remarked you have. I'm all in on the idea of a fine bourbon with a flomax "chaser".

Bernie is older than Klobacher's supporters. I was a third grader in 1960, but even to me, JFK sure looked like he had it going, on, the first Beatle, for ordinary housewives. Even so, his father had to arrange for every corpse in Illinois to cast a vote, to get his son across the line! Clinton and Jennifer Flowers beat the Bush-Perot ticket in '92.

Steve, this is not our world, hasn't been in quite awhile. I remember arguing on Dailykos, in 2008, to the edge of receiving death threats, that a black nominnee with the middle name, Hussein, had a snowball's chance in hell of "gittin 'er done". Didn't understand how in 2008 or what happened in 2016. You know the old saying, at a poker table...if you can't spot who the mark is, chances are......
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 11:09:13 PM »
And in spite of all this harrumphing look at the three assclowns that the Dems are offering up. Trump , the pompous ass that he is , will win in a landslide. We'll have many more Vagina hat parades and mental breakdowns from the snowflakes. Please Dems you gotta come up with something better than what is out there. Your presenting a total of SUCK.

Here here...comrade.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2019, 11:16:26 PM »
We get what we deserve.



Looks like the George P self publicity machine is thinking about running for office.

He's retweeted that about 3 times lol.

@Tom that was kinda weird you brought up George de Mohrenschildt. I literally laughed my ass off you typed that.

"The Surreal Life of George Papadopoulos" @The Washington Post was kinda what came to mind when you said that. Name dropping tools and social climbers. Both birds of a feather.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/05/20/feature/the-surreal-life-of-george-papadopoulos/

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In person, he came across as warm, oddly guileless and eager to please. He made boastful claims. (“I was on a first-name basis with Netanyahu for four years.”) He made ingratiating claims. (“As an individual I’m more comfortable with Washington Post people like you than with, I dunno, the Daily Caller.”) And then there was his central claim: that the entire federal investigation of Trump had its origins in dirty tricks masterminded by a group of foreign and U.S. intelligence entities.

In the Mueller report it mentions George's links to a far right Zionist persona. One which paid him 10k. That he should have declared himself, a lobbyist ... for Israel.

This clown is no better than the Katie Hill he wants to replace. Trump's judgement is lower than a snakes belly.



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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2019, 01:34:48 AM »
Trump being sworn in:

'I swear to not tell the truth,
anything but the truth,
so help me Satan'
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2019, 03:47:24 PM »
And in spite of all this harrumphing look at the three assclowns that the Dems are offering up. Trump , the pompous ass that he is , will win in a landslide. We'll have many more Vagina hat parades and mental breakdowns from the snowflakes. Please Dems you gotta come up with something better than what is out there. Your presenting a total of SUCK.
I'm afraid so.

Trump is a conman, a grifter, a liar and fraud but his damage to the country can mostly be fixed. When he leaves, his ugliness largely goes with him.

But the Democrats are true believers who will cement their extremism in the government. It'll take decades to undo their damage. These "woke" people are just bizarre. Trump looks reasonable next to them.

So our options are a conman and grifter or an ideologue. The latter will do far more damage to the country.

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2019, 12:58:55 AM »
56 years after the event, the conspiracy crowd still takes the position “we can’t prove conspiracy because the conspirators won’t let us”. Remarkable.

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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2019, 02:44:55 AM »
I'm afraid so.

Trump is a conman, a grifter, a liar and fraud but his damage to the country can mostly be fixed. When he leaves, his ugliness largely goes with him.

But the Democrats are true believers who will cement their extremism in the government. It'll take decades to undo their damage. These "woke" people are just bizarre. Trump looks reasonable next to them.

So our options are a conman and grifter or an ideologue. The latter will do far more damage to the country.

A lot of handwringing. "Let's leave everything just as it was on January, 19, 2017," offers no greater appeal to the majority of non-republican leaning voters than the alternative you are critical of. There is no risk supporting Elizabeth Warren vs any other 2020 candidate. She is not Bernie, Biden, Buttigieg, or even owned by the banks. She will not be a 78 yr old nominee coping with a recent heart condition, a confused 77 yr old living in the 20th century, or a 38 yr old, modest sized city mayor with a mixed record and a bright future. The economy is fading at the end of the longest expansion ever charted. Warren is a reasonable choice expected to fairly (in a deliberative, practical way) distribute the pain without interfering with recovery because her consumer advocacy results in stimulative effect opposite giving an unpaid for tax cut primarily to the ten percent owning 80 percent of stock shares and cutting the income tax of the corps. that issued those shares.

Stimulative policy redistributes wealth to the classes who, by necessity spend every penny of income, as opposed to a deficit fueled tax cut increasing the price of stock by corp. tax cut and the resulting windfall spent on stock buy backs, increasing wealth of top ten percent and lower taxes on that increased wealth.

Wealth concentration is more acute now, than the facts indicated from 2016 Fed Res Triennial Wealth Study.
Deficit spending is $1 trillion+ annually, vs $677 billion in fiscal year ended 09/20/17. A lot of money is spent to discredit candidate Warren in reaction to her approach and policy proposals. One in particular, that a single payer system cutting out the net profits and two thirds of overhead expenses diverted by private health insurers instead of offsetting cost of care, would be unaffordable. Two facts, 16 percent, $160 million of every $1 billion spent for private health insurance would be eliminated from factors influencing the price of private health insurance, vs the 20 percent gross profit currently retained by insurers offering ACA compliant health insurance policies, and.....

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