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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Gus Rose
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 09:33:23 PM »
... the fact that she gasped at all speaks for itself. Try to figure it out.

What I’ve figured out is that you’ll grasp at anything and call it evidence of murder.

Possibly.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 09:57:50 PM »
What I’ve figured out is that you’ll grasp at anything and call it evidence of murder.

Possibly.

Marina's gasp was the gateway
 
And no, I wouldn't try this case based on a solitary piece of evidence
« Last Edit: October 14, 2019, 10:02:33 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Gus Rose
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 10:32:26 PM »
Can Charles (or anyone) provide an approximate time that the gasp occurred?

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 10:49:48 PM »
Here’s a quote from Gus Rose that is the introduction of his interview in “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed. This speaks volumes to me. I can’t help but believe that if Oswald had lived to stand trial, and a jury had witnessed this description, it would have been very persuasive in helping to confirm that she believed the rifle was still there (until that moment).

“I could see what I believed was the imprint of a rifle. Though it may have been partly suggestive, something was there that made me think there was a rifle there. When I picked it up, it fell limp across my arm empty. At that point, Marina let out an audible gasp. I turned and looked at her and noticed that she was wide-eyed and pale. I thought for a moment that she might be about to faint. I now believe that at that point, with the rifle not being there, the full realization had soaked in . . .”
In the Priscilla McMillan book, "Marina and Lee", Marina's reaction is described as being a combination of shock over discovering the rifle was missing but also a realization that Oswald's odd behavior the day before now had an explanation.

From the McMillan account: "The blanket looked exactly as it always had, as if there were something bulky inside. As always, it was carefully tied in string. Marina shook all over, trying not to show her fright, as an officer stooped down to pick it up. It hung, limp, on either side of his arm.

Ruth looked at Marina. She had gone ashen.

"So it was Lee," Marina thought. "That is why he came last night." For Marina it was again one of those moments when kaleidoscopic and inexplicable occurrences suddenly clicked into place. She knew now why Lee had told her to buy "everything" she and the children needed, why he had left without kissing her good-bye."
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Re: Gus Rose
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 11:20:47 PM »
Can Charles (or anyone) provide an approximate time that the gasp occurred?

Page 128 of “Reclaiming History” says that the time of arrival at the Paine’s residence was 3:30 pm. I haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe that it took very long at all for them to get around to this.

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2019, 11:23:11 PM »
In the Priscilla McMillan book, Marina's reaction is described as being a combination of shock over the missing rifle but also a realization that Oswald's odd behavior the day before had a reason.

From the McMillan account: "The blanket looked exactly as it always had, as if there were something bulky inside. As always, it was carefully tied in string. Marina shook all over, trying not to show her fright, as an officer stooped down to pick it up. It hung, limp, on either side of his arm.

Ruth looked at Marina. She had gone ashen.

"So it was Lee," Marina thought. "That is why he came last night." For Marina it was again one of those moments when kaleidoscopic and inexplicable occurrences suddenly clicked into place. She knew now why Lee had told her to buy "everything" she and the children needed, why he had left without kissing her good-bye."

Ain't it amazing what LNs consider to be "evidence"

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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2019, 11:24:08 PM »
In the Priscilla McMillan book, Marina's reaction is described as being a combination of shock over the missing rifle but also a realization that Oswald's odd behavior the day before had a reason.

From the McMillan account: "The blanket looked exactly as it always had, as if there were something bulky inside. As always, it was carefully tied in string. Marina shook all over, trying not to show her fright, as an officer stooped down to pick it up. It hung, limp, on either side of his arm.

Ruth looked at Marina. She had gone ashen.

"So it was Lee," Marina thought. "That is why he came last night." For Marina it was again one of those moments when kaleidoscopic and inexplicable occurrences suddenly clicked into place. She knew now why Lee had told her to buy "everything" she and the children needed, why he had left without kissing her good-bye."

Thanks Steve

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Gus Rose
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2019, 11:50:57 PM »
Page 128 of “Reclaiming History” says that the time of arrival at the Paine’s residence was 3:30 pm. I haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe that it took very long at all for them to get around to this.

Oswald's name had been on the media from 2.42pm. I'm sure DVP will correct me but I think I got it from him. You think Marina and Ruth were not aware of this nearly an hour after? Would Marina not check the blanket immediately? Wouldn't she have told Ruth about the rifle then? Wouldn’t Michael have called with the news? He arrived about 15 minutes after the cops.

What do you think?

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2019, 12:18:04 AM »
Oswald's name had been on the media from 2.42pm. I'm sure DVP will correct me but I think I got it from him. You think Marina and Ruth were not aware of this nearly an hour after? Would Marina not check the blanket immediately? Wouldn't she have told Ruth about the rifle then? Wouldn’t Michael have called with the news? He arrived about 15 minutes after the cops.

What do you think?

Here is what Gus said in that interview:

“As we walked toward the house, I could see that the door was open while the screen door was closed. I could also see a light flickering, apparently from a television in the room. When I approached the door, without knocking, this woman inside said, “Come on in. I’ve been expecting you.” I didn’t identify myself, stepped inside and asked, “Why were you expecting me?” “Oh,” she said, “I could tell you were a police officer, and I knew someone would be out here to talk to us about Lee as soon as I saw where the President was shot from.” Now, at that time, there was no mention made of his arrest because he had not yet been properly identified, and the name of the arrested person had not been released.”

Even if he was mistaken about the time of the name release. I think that if Marina did look for the rifle, she would have most likely have seen the blanket there appearing to still have the rifle inside. And thought that her concern was unfounded. And I believe that that was LHO’s purpose in leaving it looking that way.

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2019, 12:22:47 AM »
Here is what Gus said in that interview:

“As we walked toward the house, I could see that the door was open while the screen door was closed. I could also see a light flickering, apparently from a television in the room. When I approached the door, without knocking, this woman inside said, “Come on in. I’ve been expecting you.” I didn’t identify myself, stepped inside and asked, “Why were you expecting me?” “Oh,” she said, “I could tell you were a police officer, and I knew someone would be out here to talk to us about Lee as soon as I saw where the President was shot from.” Now, at that time, there was no mention made of his arrest because he had not yet been properly identified, and the name of the arrested person had not been released.”

Even if he was mistaken about the time of the name release. I think that if Marina did look for the rifle, she would have most likely have seen the blanket there appearing to still have the rifle inside. And thought that her concern was unfounded. And I believe that that was LHO’s purpose in leaving it looking that way.

I know what he said. I’ve read his (and Stovall's and Adamcek's) combined report. What about that of the Sherrif's officers who they were "waiting for"? What time did they believe they arrived? And while your thinking of that, how did Fritz find out about 1026 North Beckley? Was it from the phone number provided by Ruth during the Paine visit after 3.30?

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