Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: Tippit Shooting, 1:15  (Read 84281 times)

Offline Bill Chapman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6513
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #272 on: October 27, 2019, 06:05:23 AM »
Advertisement
Is this your way of acknowledging that Callaway didn’t see a crime committed?

“12-15 feet away”. LOL.

What difference does that make? He didn't have to see a crime committed to hear shots and ID Oswald as the guy carrying a gun.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #272 on: October 27, 2019, 06:05:23 AM »


Offline Bill Brown

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1744
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #273 on: October 27, 2019, 08:46:23 AM »
How is a witness two blocks away seeing a man with a gun supposed to know that the man killed somebody?

Which witness are you referring to who was "two blocks away seeing a man with a gun"?

How about Warren Reynolds?

No.

Warren Reynolds was exactly one block away from the shooting.

Offline Bill Brown

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1744
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #274 on: October 27, 2019, 08:47:31 AM »
How can you tell when Bill Brown is beaten?

He starts playing word games and namecalling.


JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #274 on: October 27, 2019, 08:47:31 AM »


Offline Bill Brown

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1744
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #275 on: October 27, 2019, 08:51:10 AM »
Still not one serious attempt by an LNr to deal with the combined information below and provide even a weak argument to counter it.

Let's give it one more try;

Can anybody come up with a plausible scenario for Markham still being at 10th/Patton at 1:14 or 1:15 when she testified she left home "a little after 1" and the one block walk from her home on 9th street to the corner of 10th street and Patton would have taken her only 2, perhaps 3 minutes. Markham estimated in her testimony that she took the 1.15 bus to work every day. And before you go there, yes I know that according to the bus schedule (which btw nobody has ever been able to show me) there was a bus at 1.12 and one at 1.22. It actually doesn't matter which bus Markham was talking about, because a walk of two blocks to the bus stop would have taken her no more than 6 minutes. So, if she left home "a little after 1" she would have easily been at the bus stop on Jefferson at around 1.15 and thus not at 10th/Patton. But even if she left home later than she said, how would she be able to see Tippit being shot at 1:14 or 1:15 when she was catching her regular bus to work on Jefferson at that same time? In other words, Tippit must have been shot earlier than 1.15, most likely around 1.06, because otherwise Markham could not have witnessed it.

The same thing goes for Bowley. He arrived after Tippit was killed. In his affidavit he said he picked up his daughter at R.L. Thornton School in Singing Hills at "about 12:55". School bells, in my experience, have a tendency to ring at the correct time every day! Now, let's also not forget that, after picking up his daughter, Bowley was also going to pick up his wife from work, to go on a family holiday and thus had every reason to be on time and be aware of the time! The drive from the school to 10th/Patton is about 7 miles long and takes roughly 13 minutes, depending on the route, making it absolutely possible and plausible for him to arrive at 10th street at 1.10 pm, like he said he did in his affidavit.

If one argues that Markham saw Tippit being killed at 1:14 or 1:15 it inescapebly means that Bowley's arrival at 10th/Patton also needs to be pushed back to - at the earliest - 1:17 or 1:18. This in turn would not only mean that he left his daughter waiting for him at school for some time, which is a foolish notion by itself, but it also does not square with his alleged radio call at 1:16 or the arrival of the ambulance shortly after he made that radio call.

Bowley also said in his affidavit that he saw the ambulance arrive and pick up Tippit's body just after his radio call (which he made within a minute or so after arriving on the scene). Hospital records show that Tippit was declared DOA at 1:15 at Methodist Hospital, on North Beckley, about 1,5 miles from the scene of the crime. DPD officer Davenport says in his report that, while en route, he saw and followed the ambulance to the hospital where he witnessed Tippit being declared dead at 1:15.

Markham's and Bowley's timelines alone justify, IMO, the conclusion that Tippit was in fact shot before 1:10 pm, which makes it nearly impossible for Oswald to have been there. But perhaps somebody can provide a plausible scenario for these two timelines to be wrong...? I'll wait and see, but I won't hold my breath.

Also, does anybody care to explain how this evidence relates to the DPD dispatcher's time calls from clocks which, according to Bowles, could be two minutes ahead or behind "official time" (whatever that means) and recorded on voice actived devices?

I bet you, not one LN is going to be willing or able to honestly discuss this timeline.


The timeline....

TIPPIT SHOOTING, 1:15

Mary Wright stated that she heard the shots and called the police immediately after the shooting.  (With Malice, 2013, pg. 136)

Barbara Davis heard the shots and stated that, from the door, she saw a man walking across her front yard unloading a gun.  She then heard Helen Markham across the street yelling that a police officer was shot and killed.  Davis looked over and saw the police car.  Immediately after seeing the police car, she went inside and phoned the operator and reported the shooting to the police.  (affidavit, 11/22/63)

L.J. Lewis was at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company, located one block south of the shooting.  He called the police immediately after hearing the gunshots to report a shooting.  (affidavit, 8/26/64)

Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio".  Upon being told by the citizen that a police man had been shot and that it was near Marsalis, Beckley and Tenth Street, Jackson immediately calls out for "78".  After getting no response, he again calls out for "78".  Jackson is calling out for "78" because that is Tippit's call number and he knows Tippit was driving car number 10.  On 11/22/63, Tippit was "78".  That he calls out for Tippit after receiving the alert from the "citizen using the police radio" tells us that at 1:16, Jackson was made aware, for the very first time, that Tippit had been shot.

Since we know that Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis called the police almost immediately... and we know that Murray Jackson (the dispatcher) was unaware of the shooting until 1:16, it becomes painfully obvious that Wright, Davis and Lewis phoned in the shooting at a point in time just before the "citizen using the police radio" alerted Jackson.  If these three witnesses had phoned in the shooting much earlier, then Jackson would have been already made aware of the shooting by his superiors and told to put an all-points bulletin.  No all-points bulletin was put out by dispatch until AFTER dispatch (Jackson) was alerted at 1:16.

Offline Bill Brown

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1744
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #276 on: October 27, 2019, 08:56:57 AM »
Unfair, biased lineups and single photo identifications months after the fact in some cases. Enough said.

P.S. Bill Smith, LOL

WILLIAM ARTHUR SMITH, age 20, 328 1/2 East 8th Street, was interviewed at the residence or his brother-in-law, TIMMIE ANZALDUA, 1831 Idaho Street, Dallas. He advised that he observed Officer TIPPIT when he was being shot by an unknown white male but he did not report it to the police because he claimed he had been on two year's probation for auto theft and he thought he might get in trouble with the police. He said he was too far away from the individual to positively identify him but he said he was a white male, about 5' 7" to 5'8", 20 to 25 years of age, 150-160, wearing a white shirt, light brown jacket and dark pants.


Mr. BALL. What did you see?

Mr. SMITH. Saw Oswald running and policeman falling.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #276 on: October 27, 2019, 08:56:57 AM »


Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10810
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #277 on: October 27, 2019, 01:54:02 PM »
The timeline....

We spend pages and pages discussing the inaccuracy of the police clocks and Bill Brown just regurgitates the same thing he posted previously.

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10810
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #278 on: October 27, 2019, 01:55:31 PM »

Mr. BALL. What did you see?

Mr. SMITH. Saw Oswald running and policeman falling.

That’s almost as lame as claiming that Benavides “identified Oswald” because he said “Oswald or the guy who shot him” in his testimony.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #278 on: October 27, 2019, 01:55:31 PM »


Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7395
Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #279 on: October 27, 2019, 02:58:31 PM »
We spend pages and pages discussing the inaccuracy of the police clocks and Bill Brown just regurgitates the same thing he posted previously.

Indeed,

So, under no circumstance could you put any stock in the real world time references by the belt because there were no time references on the belt; they were only spoken times, and those spoken times had no faithful validity... - James C. Bowles, Communications Supervisor of the Dallas Police Department.


but it's no real surprise;


It's a telling sign when a die hard LN finds himself confronted with information he can not counter with credible arguments. They will try every trick in the book, ranging from outright dismissal to ridicule, from trying to change the subject to muddy the waters and pretending not to understand and so on.

There's just one thing they will never ever do; enter into an open and honest discussion about the information that has been presented.


« Last Edit: October 27, 2019, 03:02:36 PM by Martin Weidmann »