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Online Jerry Freeman

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #670 on: February 04, 2020, 01:22:51 AM »
And you know this is accurate...how? Or any of your other time estimates for that matter...
It's called juke around with the time like was done here and there as "needed"....
Oh! Oops...change that 1:15 time there and type a 2 over that [sounds a little better]


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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #671 on: February 04, 2020, 01:46:15 AM »
If thatís true then why did Callaway ask Benavides if he saw which way the guy went?
And you know this is accurate...how? Or any of your other time estimates for that matter...
I had put this in the "Cop Killer" thread but that topic was hijacked and fell apart---
 Quote from: Bill Brown on January 19, 2020, 11:39:44 PM
   
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"The number 2 man in the line up that I saw at City Hall is the man I saw with the gun in his hand." -- Ted Callaway (Affidavit, 11/22/63)
Jim Leavelle testified that he took the affidavits WHILE they were waiting for the line up to start.....
 
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Mr. LEAVELLE. I know they were on two different showups, so it is quite possible.
    Mr. BALL. Who conducted the questions of the men in the showup?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. I would think I would have been--the same line.
    Mr. BALL. Do you know what Ted Callaway said?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. Not per se; I know they were able to identify Oswald.
    Mr. BALL. What was the substance of what he said?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not recall.
    Mr. BALL. You say "identify"; that doesn't mean much to me because I don't know what he identified him as.
    Mr. LEAVELLE. He said he was the man; he identified him as the man he saw running from the direction where the shots came from over in the Oak Cliff area near his carlot.
    Mr. BALL. What about Sam Guinyard?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. Same thing, practically.
    Mr. BALL. Did you take statements from them?
    Mr. LEAVELLE. I believe I took affidavits from them, according to my notes, there while we were waiting for them to come down.
So Mr Callaway knew which guy he was going to pick before he ever saw him?
Also asked before ...If Callaway saw the shooter pass by him--then why did he ask the cab driver which way the suspect went?
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     Mr. BENAVIDES - And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came to a halt and he asked me which way he went.
     
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Mr. CALLAWAY. We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this bus driver and myself......and Jim told us, "When I show you these guys, be sure, take your time, see if you can make a positive identification.........We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him."

Here was Callaway's big chance to go from a tinhorn used car hack and into history...he would get to identify the assassin of the president! Yeah---we've got him.
 

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #672 on: March 01, 2020, 01:03:14 AM »
TIPPIT SHOOTING, 1:15

Mary Wright stated that she heard the shots and called the police immediately after the shooting.  (With Malice, 2013, pg. 136)

Barbara Davis heard the shots and stated that, from the door, she saw a man walking across her front yard unloading a gun.  She then heard Helen Markham across the street yelling that a police officer was shot and killed.  Davis looked over and saw the police car.  Immediately after seeing the police car, she went inside and phoned the operator and reported the shooting to the police.  (affidavit, 11/22/63)

L.J. Lewis was at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company, located one block south of the shooting.  He called the police immediately after hearing the gunshots to report a shooting.  (affidavit, 8/26/64)

Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio".  Upon being told by the citizen that a police man had been shot and that it was near Marsalis, Beckley and Tenth Street, Jackson immediately calls out for "78".  After getting no response, he again calls out for "78".  Jackson is calling out for "78" because that is Tippit's call number and he knows Tippit was driving car number 10.  On 11/22/63, Tippit was "78".  That he calls out for Tippit after receiving the alert from the "citizen using the police radio" tells us that at 1:16, Jackson was made aware, for the very first time, that Tippit had been shot.

Since we know that Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis called the police almost immediately... and we know that Murray Jackson (the dispatcher) was unaware of the shooting until 1:16, it becomes painfully obvious that Wright, Davis and Lewis phoned in the shooting at a point in time just before the "citizen using the police radio" alerted Jackson.  If these three witnesses had phoned in the shooting much earlier, then Jackson would have been already made aware of the shooting by his superiors and told to put an all-points bulletin.  No all-points bulletin was put out by dispatch until AFTER dispatch (Jackson) was alerted at 1:16.
You know.... There must have been 850 police switchboard operators on duty that day to have immediately taken all these calls that were coming in....Don't you think? There were phone callers from all over town trying to get through also.
Even in these present days-- 911 can't process too many multiple calls coming in and you will get a 'sorry we are busy' re-direct.
So come on and let's get real.

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #673 on: March 04, 2020, 02:58:35 AM »
It's called juke around with the time like was done here and there as "needed"....
Oh! Oops...
No one has ever told me how Tippit managed to get himself shot at the very same time the doctors were pronouncing him dead----
 [after trying to 'bring the officer back to life'] :-\

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #674 on: March 04, 2020, 03:46:35 AM »
No one has ever told me how Tippit managed to get himself shot at the very same the doctors were pronouncing him dead----
 [after trying to 'bring the officer back to life'] :-\


I never tire of seeing this document. Except, there's something about that 1:15 ...
Hmmm.

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #675 on: March 04, 2020, 03:58:11 PM »
I had put this in the "Cop Killer" thread but that topic was hijacked and fell apart---
 Quote from: Bill Brown on January 19, 2020, 11:39:44 PM
   Jim Leavelle testified that he took the affidavits WHILE they were waiting for the line up to start.....
 So Mr Callaway knew which guy he was going to pick before he ever saw him?
Also asked before ...If Callaway saw the shooter pass by him--then why did he ask the cab driver which way the suspect went?     
Here was Callaway's big chance to go from a tinhorn used car hack and into history...he would get to identify the assassin of the president! Yeah---we've got him.

Mr. CALLAWAY.   We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this bus driver and myself......and Jim told us, "When I show you these guys, be sure, take your time, see if you can make a positive identification.........We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him."[/i]

 we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer.

Basically Leavelle was telling the witnesses that Lee Harrrrrvey Ossssswald ( boooooo hissss ) was the killer and he wanted them to confirm it.... Watta farce!!

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #676 on: March 04, 2020, 04:12:58 PM »
You know.... There must have been 850 police switchboard operators on duty that day to have immediately taken all these calls that were coming in....Don't you think? There were phone callers from all over town trying to get through also.
Even in these present days-- 911 can't process too many multiple calls coming in and you will get a 'sorry we are busy' re-direct.
So come on and let's get real.

Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio".

Clearly the citizen ( TF Bowley) called the dispatcher AFTER the shooting.    (And commonsense dictates that Bowley called the dispatcher several minutes after the shooting)  " Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16" ...thus the shooting had occurred several minutes prior to Jackson receiving the message from TF Bowley.      JD Tippit was shot at 1:06, just as Mrs Markham said.





 Upon being told by the citizen that a police man had been shot and that it was near Marsalis, Beckley and Tenth Street, Jackson immediately calls out for "78".  After getting no response, he again calls out for "78".  Jackson is calling out for "78" because that is Tippit's call number and he knows Tippit was driving car number 10.  On 11/22/63, Tippit was "78".  That he calls out for Tippit after receiving the alert from the "citizen using the police radio" tells us that at 1:16, Jackson was made aware, for the very first time, that Tippit had been shot.

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #677 on: March 05, 2020, 03:21:29 PM »
I never tire of seeing this document. Except, there's something about that 1:15 ...
Hmmm.

This is a fairly clear copy of Davenport's affidavit.....and on my screen it appears that he at first typed the time of 1:00 pm.... but then typed over the zeros and changed the time to 1:15......   

1:15 could have been Davenport's guess at the time of arrival of the ambulance at Methodist hospital .... and he knew that Tippit had been pronounced DOA at Methodist.    Thus he ( or someone ) changed the 1:00 pm to 1:15 pm.......     

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #678 on: March 06, 2020, 10:33:46 PM »
J D Tippit's birth certificate has not been linked to anywhere.
Neither has Jack Ruby's.
Not that I can find. 

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #679 on: March 07, 2020, 03:30:02 PM »
J D Tippit's birth certificate has not been linked to anywhere.
Neither has Jack Ruby's.
Not that I can find.

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