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Offline Bill Brown

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Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« on: October 05, 2019, 06:16:22 AM »
TIPPIT SHOOTING, 1:15

Mary Wright stated that she heard the shots and called the police immediately after the shooting.  (With Malice, 2013, pg. 136)

Barbara Davis heard the shots and stated that, from the door, she saw a man walking across her front yard unloading a gun.  She then heard Helen Markham across the street yelling that a police officer was shot and killed.  Davis looked over and saw the police car.  Immediately after seeing the police car, she went inside and phoned the operator and reported the shooting to the police.  (affidavit, 11/22/63)

L.J. Lewis was at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company, located one block south of the shooting.  He called the police immediately after hearing the gunshots to report a shooting.  (affidavit, 8/26/64)

Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio".  Upon being told by the citizen that a police man had been shot and that it was near Marsalis, Beckley and Tenth Street, Jackson immediately calls out for "78".  After getting no response, he again calls out for "78".  Jackson is calling out for "78" because that is Tippit's call number and he knows Tippit was driving car number 10.  On 11/22/63, Tippit was "78".  That he calls out for Tippit after receiving the alert from the "citizen using the police radio" tells us that at 1:16, Jackson was made aware, for the very first time, that Tippit had been shot.

Since we know that Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis called the police almost immediately... and we know that Murray Jackson (the dispatcher) was unaware of the shooting until 1:16, it becomes painfully obvious that Wright, Davis and Lewis phoned in the shooting at a point in time just before the "citizen using the police radio" alerted Jackson.  If these three witnesses had phoned in the shooting much earlier, then Jackson would have been already made aware of the shooting by his superiors and told to put an all-points bulletin.  No all-points bulletin was put out by dispatch until AFTER dispatch (Jackson) was alerted at 1:16.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2019, 06:33:32 AM »
Murray Jackson doesn't call out for "78" if he's already aware that Tippit has been shot.

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2019, 07:36:33 AM »
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Mary Wright stated that she heard the shots and called the police immediately after the shooting.  (With Malice, 2013, pg. 136)

Interestingly, Myers doesn’t bother to mention that at the same time, Mary’s husband Frank is watching a man standing right in front of the police car getting into a gray coupe and driving off.

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Barbara Davis heard the shots and stated that, from the front door, she saw a man walking across her front yard unloading a gun.  She then heard Helen Markham across the street yelling that a police officer was shot and killed.  Davis looked over and saw the police car.  Immediately after seeing the police car, she went inside and phoned the operator and reported the shooting to the police.  (affidavit, 11/22/63)

Davis didn’t say immediately. For one thing, she put her shoes on first.

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L.J. Lewis was at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company, located one block south of the shooting.  He called the police immediately after hearing the gunshots to report a shooting.  (affidavit, 8/26/64)

But in an FBI report made 7 months earlier, Lewis says that he watched a man go down Patton and turn on Jefferson before going back into the office and calling the police.

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Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio". 

This timestamp all depends on the integrity of the extant dictabelt recordings, keeping in mind that the dictabelt was voice activated, not continuous, that there are at least three versions of the written transcripts of those recordings, that the recording could have been edited when transferred to tape, and that the accuracy of the dispatcher’s clock is merely assumed.

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If these three witnesses had phoned in the shooting much earlier, then Jackson would have been already made aware of the shooting by his superiors and told to put an all-points bulletin.

How do you know how quickly Jackson would have been alerted?
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TIPPIT SHOOTING, 1:15

Mary Wright stated that she heard the shots and called the police immediately after the shooting.  (With Malice, 2013, pg. 136)

Barbara Davis heard the shots and stated that, from the front door, she saw a man walking across her front yard unloading a gun.  She then heard Helen Markham across the street yelling that a police officer was shot and killed.  Davis looked over and saw the police car.  Immediately after seeing the police car, she went inside and phoned the operator and reported the shooting to the police.  (affidavit, 11/22/63)

L.J. Lewis was at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company, located one block south of the shooting.  He called the police immediately after hearing the gunshots to report a shooting.  (affidavit, 8/26/64)

Murray Jackson, the police radio dispatcher, received an alert at 1:16 from the "citizen using the police radio".  Upon being told by the citizen that a police man had been shot and that it was car number 10, Jackson immediately calls out for "78".  After getting no response, he again calls out for "78".  Jackson is calling out for "78" because that is Tippit's patrol district and he knows Tippit was driving car number 10.  On 11/22/63, Tippit was "78".  That he calls out for Tippit after receiving the alert from the "citizen using the police radio" tells us that at 1:16, Jackson was made aware, for the very first time, that Tippit had been shot.

Since we know that Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis called the police almost immediately... and we know that Murray Jackson (the dispatcher) was unaware of the shooting until 1:16, it becomes painfully obvious that Wright, Davis and Lewis phoned in the shooting at a point in time just before the "citizen using the police radio" alerted Jackson.  If these three witnesses had phoned in the shooting much earlier, then Jackson would have been already made aware of the shooting by his superiors and told to put an all-points bulletin.  No all-points bulletin was put out by dispatch until AFTER dispatch (Jackson) was alerted at 1:16.

CITIZEN: Hello, police operator?
DIS: Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.
CITIZEN: There's been a shooting out here.
DIS: Where's it at?
DIS: The citizen using the police radio...
CITIZEN: Tenth Street.
DIS: What location on Tenth Street?
CITIZEN: Between Marsaliis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What--what's...Tenth Street.
DIS: Can you hear me?
(Man and woman's voice in background)
DIS: 78.
CITIZEN: It's a police car, number 10.
DIS: 78.
DIS: (?) 78.
CITIZEN: Got that?
CITIZEN: Hello, police operator. Did you get that?
DIS: Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 East Jefferson.
CITIZEN: Thank you.

Jackson called 78 before hearing car 10. Oak Cliff was not Tippit's assigned district that day. Jackson directed him and Officer RC Nelson to move into Oak Cliff at 12.45pm. Also car 56 (Parker) was at East Jefferson at this time.

At 12.34pm. 91 (Menzel) calls clear twice without acknowledgement from Jackson. Oak Cliff was Menzel's district. He supposedly went to lunch at this time on Jefferson not far from the Texas Theatre. Also Jackson tried to establish where Parker (56) was.

DIS: 56.
91: 91 clear.
DIS: 55.
 10-4.
DIS: Anyone know where 56 is?

56: 56 clear for 5.
DIS: 56, your location.
56: East Jefferson.

12.45pm.
DIS: 87, 78, move into central Oak Cliff area.
78: I'm about Kiest and Bonnie View.
87: 87's going north on Marsalis at R. L. Thornton.

At 12.48pm
101: 87, I'm on south end Houston Street Viaduct.
DIS: 10-4.

Are the positions reported by Nelson, Menzel and Parker about the same distance to 1026 North Beckley as 10th and Patton?


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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2019, 01:51:32 PM »
Gary, the Feluccas will come back with his watch was slow, as was the clock in the Hospital. Believe that if you will.

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Strange that the two times in the lower two documents have both been altered to 1.25.p.m. 8)

And the original death certificate says time of death 1.15 p.m.
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1.06 p.m. altered (very poorly)  to 1.1.5pm. I wonder why.  ::)

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