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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #224 on: May 02, 2020, 03:48:11 PM »
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When did Gary Shaw say that the list was typed up on 11-22-63?

Read Shaw's book......   He said that the list was typed up to accompany the evidence that was being released to the FBI at midnight 11-22-63, and that original list showed that there were only TWO spent shells.    And we know that this is true....   ( Later the DPD and the FBI covered up this fact and claimed that Fritz kept one of the spent shells so when the DPD released the evidence for the second time on 11-26-63 they included the third shell and altered the original evidence inventory list by changing the numeral 2 into a 3.....   

Since we know that the list was created to accompany the photos of the evidence being released and item number 5 on the list says:     Quote--- 1 Homemade paper bag resembling gun case ---unquote.   And we also know that the FBI destroyed the paper bag in their testing on 11-23=63, we can know that the evidence photo and the original list were created BEFORE the bag was destroyed on 11-23-63.     

And in addition to this solid evidence, item number 6 on the altered list that was altered on 11-26-63  says that item #6   is  quote ...1 ,38 cal. pistol, 2 inch barrel, S&W, Rev.  sandblast finish, brown wooden handles, ser. #510210,   Rel. to FBI on 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63....unquote

So the typist acknowledged that the .38 S&W pistol was  released to the FBI on 11-22-63 .....and on the original unaltered evidence list the pistol was simply listed as quote....    1 .38 cal. pistol, 2" barrel.....  unquote     


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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #225 on: May 03, 2020, 03:21:24 PM »
When did Gary Shaw say that the list was typed up on 11-22-63?

Did you read Shaw's book?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #226 on: May 04, 2020, 09:28:13 PM »
Did you read Shaw's book?

Mr Iacolletti.... Where are you?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #226 on: May 04, 2020, 09:28:13 PM »


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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #227 on: May 04, 2020, 11:16:08 PM »
Read Shaw's book......   He said that the list was typed up to accompany the evidence that was being released to the FBI at midnight 11-22-63, and that original list showed that there were only TWO spent shells.    And we know that this is true....   ( Later the DPD and the FBI covered up this fact and claimed that Fritz kept one of the spent shells so when the DPD released the evidence for the second time on 11-26-63 they included the third shell and altered the original evidence inventory list by changing the numeral 2 into a 3.....   

Since we know that the list was created to accompany the photos of the evidence being released and item number 5 on the list says:     Quote--- 1 Homemade paper bag resembling gun case ---unquote.   And we also know that the FBI destroyed the paper bag in their testing on 11-23=63, we can know that the evidence photo and the original list were created BEFORE the bag was destroyed on 11-23-63.     

And in addition to this solid evidence, item number 6 on the altered list that was altered on 11-26-63  says that item #6   is  quote ...1 ,38 cal. pistol, 2 inch barrel, S&W, Rev.  sandblast finish, brown wooden handles, ser. #510210,   Rel. to FBI on 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63....unquote

So the typist acknowledged that the .38 S&W pistol was  released to the FBI on 11-22-63 .....and on the original unaltered evidence list the pistol was simply listed as quote....    1 .38 cal. pistol, 2" barrel.....  unquote     

"original list showed that there were only TWO spent shells."

I don't think this is the list, from Shaw's book, you're referencing but it does show "2 spent 6.5 casings" that were released to Vince Drain of the FBI.

If I remember right Day came up with a 3rd hull later. Said he hung onto it for investigative purposes.


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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #228 on: May 04, 2020, 11:44:13 PM »
"original list showed that there were only TWO spent shells."

I don't think this is the list, from Shaw's book, you're referencing but it does show "2 spent 6.5 casings" that were released to Vince Drain of the FBI.

If I remember right Day came up with a 3rd hull later. Said he hung onto it for investigative purposes.



I don't think this is the list, from Shaw's book, you're referencing but it does show "2 spent 6.5 casings" that were released to Vince Drain of the FBI.

You're right that is not the list that was published in Gary Shaw's book....   But it is a valuable source of information .....

There can be no doubt that there were only TWO spent shells found beneath the window.   That's what was turned over to the FBI at midnight, as shown in the evidence inventory photo. ( But Roger Craig screwed up that evidence by swearing that he saw THREE shells " lying side by side no more than an inch apart ")

The List that was published on page 159 of J. Gary Shaw's book  Cover Up  Is the basis for the altered list that seen on page 268 of Vol. 24  ( CE 2003)

The police clerk used a photocopy of the original list from 11-22-63  and altered it to create the list for 11-26-63.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #229 on: May 05, 2020, 08:48:53 PM »
Did you read Shaw's book?

I have a copy of "Cover Up".  On what page does he say that this evidence list was typed up on 11/22?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #230 on: May 05, 2020, 09:02:31 PM »
I have a copy of "Cover Up".  On what page does he say that this evidence list was typed up on 11/22?

Oh My!!....   I read the book 30 years ago.....and you think my memory is good enough to remember the page number??  If I read the book last week I probably wouldn't remember the page number.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #231 on: May 05, 2020, 09:21:42 PM »
Oh My!!....   I read the book 30 years ago.....and you think my memory is good enough to remember the page number??  If I read the book last week I probably wouldn't remember the page number.

You remembered the page number that the evidence list was on!

I'll answer for you.  Shaw doesn't say anywhere that the evidence list was typed on 11/22.