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Online Walt Cakebread

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3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« on: September 29, 2019, 08:01:16 PM »
On page 260 of Volume 24 of the WC hearings there is a altered copy of evidence inventory list that accompanied the evidence that was being turned over to the FBI at midnight, 11 / 22 /63 . Item # 14( counting from the top down)  on that list  says....

Quote....   1   Partial palm print " off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip"  on rifle # C 2766.  .... unquote

Since the evidence inventory list is not dated, there is a dispute about WHEN this list was created.....

FBI Agent James Hosty in his Book stated that he and another agent  photographed the evidence and typed up a list of the evidence that was being released to the FBI that evening.  Commonsense ( and Legality) dictates that both parties ( The FBI and the DPD) would require a list of the evidence.   

Item # 14 on the list is the so called "palm Print"  .....  And that means the palm print story told by Detective Day is nothing but a damned lie.... He didn't discover that "palm print" on the metal barrel after disassembling the rifle....nor did he fail to tell the FBI about that print.  He found that smudge that he imagined might be a palm print on the WOODEN foregrip of the rifle while he was checking it for prints in the TSBD just minutes after he pulled the rifle from beneath the pallet where it had been carefully hidden.
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3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2019, 09:06:00 PM »
We already know that the magic palmprint didnít accompany the evidence released on 11/22. Drain knew nothing about it.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2019, 09:29:39 PM »
We already know that the magic palmprint didnít accompany the evidence released on 11/22. Drain knew nothing about it.

Drain was a key conspirator..... He initialed the 3 X 5 card when he received it on the evening of 11 / 22 /63
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2019, 10:10:00 PM »
On page 260 of Volume 24 of the WC hearings there is a altered copy of evidence inventory list that accompanied the evidence that was being turned over to the FBI at midnight, 11 / 22 /63 . Item # 14( counting from the top down)  on that list  says....

Quote....   1   Partial palm print " off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip"  on rifle # C 2766.  .... unquote

Since the evidence inventory list is not dated, there is a dispute about WHEN this list was created.....

FBI Agent James Hosty in his Book stated that he and another agent  photographed the evidence and typed up a list of the evidence that was being released to the FBI that evening.  Commonsense ( and Legality) dictates that both parties ( The FBI and the DPD) would require a list of the evidence.   

Item # 14 on the list is the so called "palm Print"  .....  And that means the palm print story told by Detective day is nothing but a damned lie.... He didn't discover that "palm print" on the metal barrel after disassembling the rifle....nor did he fail to tell the FBI about that print.  He found that smudge that he imagined might be a palm print on the WOODEN foregrip of the rifle while he was checking it for prints in the TSBD just minutes after he pulled the rifle from beneath the pallet where it had been carefully hidden.

 Iacoletti asked....How does itís being altered tell you anything about when the first one was written?

Let's get the two lists posted so everybody can see what's being discussed....

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2019, 10:37:55 PM »
Yes, let's.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 01:23:11 AM »
Yes, let's.

I don't have the ability or equipment to post the evidence lists.....

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2019, 01:37:41 PM »
Iacoletti asked....How does itís being altered tell you anything about when the first one was written?

Let's get the two lists posted so everybody can see what's being discussed....

I'm not sure how the list having been altered is supposed to demonstrate that the "original" list is even an original list,

Yes, that seems to be apparent.....
Even a ten year old would understand that the DPD would not have released a single piece of evidence unless they documented the fact that they released it to the FBI. Surely you won't argue that point, will you john?     

So they must have documented the evidence (and many of the police officers and the FBI acknowledged that the DPD did in fact turn the evidence over to them at midnight 11/22/63.)  They photographed and listed the evidence....  But they didn't know some of the information that appeared on the list for 11/26/63 so naturally that info was not listed on the original list.   Is this too difficult for you Johnny?   

I'm not sure how the list having been altered is supposed to demonstrate that the "original" list is even an original list,

When placing the two documents ( Evidence list "A" and Evidence list "B" )side by side it's very obvious that the document that is printed on page 260 of Vol 24, which is Document "B" is a photo copy of Document "A".   
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2019, 04:07:32 PM »
Even a ten year old would understand that the DPD would not have released a single piece of evidence unless they documented the fact that they released it to the FBI. Surely you won't argue that point, will you john?

That immaterial. If that particular list described the evidence released that night then Drain would have gotten the magic partial palmprint that night. He didnít. It was mailed to Washington days later.

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2019, 04:24:19 PM »
I'm not sure how the list having been altered is supposed to demonstrate that the "original" list is even an original list,

Yes, that seems to be apparent.....
Even a ten year old would understand that the DPD would not have released a single piece of evidence unless they documented the fact that they released it to the FBI. Surely you won't argue that point, will you john?     

So they must have documented the evidence (and many of the police officers and the FBI acknowledged that the DPD did in fact turn the evidence over to them at midnight 11/22/63.)  They photographed and listed the evidence....  But they didn't know some of the information that appeared on the list for 11/26/63 so naturally that info was not listed on the original list.   Is this too difficult for you Johnny?   

I'm not sure how the list having been altered is supposed to demonstrate that the "original" list is even an original list,

When placing the two documents ( Evidence list "A" and Evidence list "B" )side by side it's very obvious that the document that is printed on page 260 of Vol 24, which is Document "B" is a photo copy of Document "A".   

Referring to Document "A"  ( the original evidence inventory list) there are several items that indicate that it was typed up on 11 /22/63.

A) Item number number 9 is listed as--- quote...."6.5 spent rounds (2) " ...Unquote

It's a fact that on the evening of  11/ 22 / 63 only TWO spent shells were turned over to the FBI.

This listing of just TWO spent shells alone, and by itself, indicates that this document ( evidence inventory list) was created at a time when there were only TWO spent shells in evidence.....  And that time was the evening of 11 / 22/ 63.

There are several other items in document "A" that indicate that it was created on 11 / 22 /63....

We'll examine them one at a time......   

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2019, 04:49:33 PM »
That immaterial. If that particular list described the evidence released that night then Drain would have gotten the magic partial palmprint that night. He didnít. It was mailed to Washington days later.

If that particular list described the evidence released that night then Drain would have gotten the magic partial palmprint that night.

Thank you....You've just admitted that if item #14 on the list ( The unaltered original ) described the evidence released then Drain would have received the "partial palmprint"  ....Well it  DOES DESCRIBE the evidence.......Here's how item # 14 is described on the original list....

Quote  * 1 Partial palm print "off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip " on rifle C 2766...  Unquote.   

You'll notice that the words "Off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip" C2766 are in quotation marks....That means the typist quoted the words that were on the 3 x 5 index card.

You may also notice that there is a tiny asterisk preceding the entry.....  The tiny asterisk has great significance.......Because at the bottom of the document the meaning of that asterisk is revealed...The note at the bottom of the document says...Taken from 6th floor, 411Elm by Lt day and Detective Studebaker and taken to Crime Lab, City Hall. 

Clearly, Lt. Day did NOT discover the so called "palmprint" in the Crime Lab after disassembling the rifle.....According to the original evidence inventory list he discovered the "partial palm print on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

PS.... Vince Drain initialed the card when he received it into evidence on 11 /22 63
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