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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2019, 04:45:44 AM »
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Walt,

I have truly been trying to understand your argument, but I'm still puzzled about what exactly the purpose of your argument is.

Let's for argument's sake say that the index card with the partial palmprint was indeed taken to Drain to Washington on 11/22/63, as you claim. What would be the significance of that?

Martin, The official story is:   Lee Oswald's palm print was found on the metal barrel of the rifle when Lt Day disassembled the rifle and found the palm print on the 5/8" diameter metal barrel.  ( only about 1/4" of a 5/8 " diameter metal tube would make contact with a man's palm and that's too small to identify the person who left the print)

There had been NO  identifiable prints found on the rifle ( and even to this very day, no identifiable prints have been found) BUT...Dallas's DA Henry Wade had told reporters that they had found Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald's prints on the gun...He was lying through his teeth....But they desperately needed something to tie Lee Oswald to the murder, thus the tale about Lt Day finding the print on the metal barrel and his neglecting to tell the FBI that he'd found that print .  The whole tale is BS....  What the "experts" have told us was Oswald's palm print that was lifted from the metal barrel is actually simply an unidentifiable smudge that Lt Day Lifted from the WOODEN foregrip of the carcano. Day spotted what he imagined to be a palm print on that wooden fore grip just minutes after he pulled the rifle from beneath the pallet where the rifle had been carefully hidden ( not carelessly tossed aside as the liars have told us) Day knew the wood of the foregrip would absorb the "print" so he decided to use scotch tape to lift that "print". Tom Alyea watched him as he lifted that smudge and placed the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card and scribbled the pertinent information on that card.   Day wrote... "Off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip " C 2766  .  ( If he had been in the Dallas PD Crime lab he would have used the typewriter and a clean sheet of paper to record the information, and he probably would have written more details about the discovery.)

At the time they released they rifle to the FBI NO IDENTIFIABLE PRINTS had been found on the rifle But the 3 X 5 index card was among the evidence released.   When the FBI examine the lift on Saturday, they reported that the "print" was useless for identification purposes, but after Henry Wade's bold lie they could not let us pissants know that there was no physical evidence that connected Lee Oswald to the rifle....     

Perhaps you're like so many folks.... You simply can't believe that Hoover and LBJ were the prime conspirators.....
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2019, 08:37:31 AM »
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Martin, The official story is:   Lee Oswald's palm print was found on the metal barrel of the rifle when Lt Day disassembled the rifle and found the palm print on the 5/8" diameter metal barrel.  ( only about 1/4" of a 5/8 " diameter metal tube would make contact with a man's palm and that's too small to identify the person who left the print)

There had been NO  identifiable prints found on the rifle ( and even to this very day, no identifiable prints have been found) BUT...Dallas's DA Henry Wade had told reporters that they had found Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald's prints on the gun...He was lying through his teeth....But they desperately needed something to tie Lee Oswald to the murder, thus the tale about Lt Day finding the print on the metal barrel and his neglecting to tell the FBI that he'd found that print .  The whole tale is BS....  What the "experts" have told iu8s was Oswald's palm print that was lifted from the metal barrel is actually simply an unidentifiable smudge that Lt Day Lifted from the WOODEN foregrip of the carcano. Day spotted what he imagined to be a palm print on that wooden fore grip just minutes after he pulled the rifle from beneath the pallet where the rifle had been carefully hidden ( not carelessly tossed aside as the liars have told us) Day knew the wood of the foregrip would absorb the "print" so he decided to use scotch tape to lift that "print". Tom Alyea watched him as he lifted that smudge and placed the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card and scribbled the pertinent information on that card.   Day wrote... "Off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip " C 2766  .  ( If he had been in the Dallas PD Crime lab he would have used the typewriter and a clean sheet of paper to record the information, and he probably would have written more details about the discovery.)

At the time they released they rifle to the FBI NO IDENTIFIABLE PRINTS had been found on the rifle But the 3 X 5 index card was among the evidence released.   When the FBI examine the lift on Saturday, they reported that the "print" was useless for identification purposes, but after Henry Wade's bold lie they could not let us pissants know that there was no physical evidence that connected Lee Oswald to the rifle....     

Perhaps you're like so many folks.... You simply can't believe that Hoover and LBJ were the prime conspirators.....

Probably the weakest case against Hoover and LBJ I've seen so far.

How does a lie by Henry Wade implicate Hoover when Hoover's own finger print expert throws Day under the bus stating there was nothing on that rifle.

You've stopped making any sense.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2019, 02:49:56 PM »
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Probably the weakest case against Hoover and LBJ I've seen so far.

How does a lie by Henry Wade implicate Hoover when Hoover's own finger print expert throws Day under the bus stating there was nothing on that rifle.

You've stopped making any sense.

When a person views a scene from a perspective they have never used everything seems to be out of focus....

"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus".....  Mark Twain

Would it clear things up a bit if you knew that Henry Wade was one of J.Edgar Hoover's "Extra Special" agents.... A secret undercover agent who reported directly to Hoover.  ( Hoover's private gang)  Hoover had a secret band of agents like a Mafia godfather ..... Those agents were extremely loyal and devoted to Hoover. They had been FBI Special agents and had officially retired, or resigned, but in reality they had became secret agents for J.Edgar Hoover.    If Hoover wanted some "dirty work" done he could place a call to one of his "Extra Special" agents.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2019, 02:49:56 PM »

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2019, 04:27:38 PM »
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Tom Alyea watched him as he lifted that smudge and placed the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card and scribbled the pertinent information on that card.   

Alyea didn’t say that.

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Day wrote... "Off underside gun barrel near end of foregrip " C 2766  .  ( If he had been in the Dallas PD Crime lab he would have used the typewriter and a clean sheet of paper to record the information, and he probably would have written more details about the discovery.)

How did you determine what Day would have done if he had been in the crime lab?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2019, 04:53:18 PM »
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Alyea didn’t say that.

How did you determine what Day would have done if he had been in the crime lab?

Alyea didn’t say that.

Oh yes he did!!.... Sorry about your ignorance...

How did you determine what Day would have done if he had been in the crime lab?

You have an aversion for commonsense,.... don't you John

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2019, 04:53:18 PM »

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2019, 08:18:31 PM »
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Alyea didn’t say that.

Oh yes he did!!.... Sorry about your ignorance...

No, Walt. Alyea didn’t say that he watched Day lift a smudge from the foregrip and place the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card and scribble the pertinent information on that card. You made all that up.

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You have an aversion for commonsense,.... don't you John

“Common sense” is what you call it when you fabricate a story for which there is no evidence whatsoever.
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2019, 09:40:03 PM »
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No, Walt. Alyea didn’t say that he watched Day lift a smudge from the foregrip and place the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card and scribble the pertinent information on that card. You made all that up.

“Common sense” is what you call it when you fabricate a story for which there is no evidence whatsoever.

Alyea didn’t say that he watched Day lift a smudge from the foregrip and place the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card ...

Did Alyea say that he "watched as Lt. Day lifted prints from the rifle "in the TSBD just minutes after the rifle was pulled from beneath the boxes of books ?

“Common sense” is what you call it when you fabricate a story for which there is no evidence whatsoever.

Most rational folks with commonsense would understand that Lt Day wouldn't have lifted the print or disturbed the print in anyway if that print had been found on the metal barrel UNDERNEATH the wooden foregrip where it clearly would have been well protected by the wooden forgrip.   Day claimed that after dusting the area with finger print powder and discovering the print he lifted the print with scoth tape.  But when the FBI received the rifle they could not see any indication that the area beneath the foregrip had been processed for prints...Not even a trace of print dust or a print...

And IF Day had found a print while working in the Crime Lab it's very doubtful that he would have placed the lift on a 3 X 5 card and then hastily scribbled a truncated message on that card.... He had plenty of typing paper and typewriter right at his finger tips.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #97 on: October 16, 2019, 05:30:32 PM »
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No, Walt. Alyea didn’t say that he watched Day lift a smudge from the foregrip and place the scotch tape on a 3 X 5 card and scribble the pertinent information on that card. You made all that up.

“Common sense” is what you call it when you fabricate a story for which there is no evidence whatsoever.

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Tom Alyea wrote:....Lt. Day immediately turned toward the window behind him and started dusting the weapon for fingerprints. Day was still within the enclosure formed by the surrounding boxes. I filmed him lifting prints from the rifle. He lifted them off with scotch tape and placed them on little white cards. When he had finished, he handed the rifle to Captain Fritz. Fritz pulled the bolt back and a live round ejected and landed on the boxes below. Fritz put the cartridge in his pocket. I did not see Fritz pick up anything other than the live round. . . .

Alyea's description contradicts the few brief clips that we've been allowed to see....  The film that we've been shown, shows Lt Day lifting the rifle by the strap and handing it to Captain Fritz....  But Alyea says that Lt Day immediately started dusting the rifle. looking for finger prints. 
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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« Reply #98 on: October 16, 2019, 07:26:10 PM »
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Tom Alyea wrote:....Lt. Day immediately turned toward the window behind him and started dusting the weapon for fingerprints. Day was still within the enclosure formed by the surrounding boxes. I filmed him lifting prints from the rifle. He lifted them off with scotch tape and placed them on little white cards. When he had finished, he handed the rifle to Captain Fritz. Fritz pulled the bolt back and a live round ejected and landed on the boxes below. Fritz put the cartridge in his pocket. I did not see Fritz pick up anything other than the live round. . . .

Alyea's description contradicts the few brief clips that we've been allowed to see....  The film that we've been shown, shows Lt Day lifting the rifle by the strap and handing it to Captain Fritz....  But Alyea says that Lt Day immediately started dusting the rifle. looking for finger prints.

As I said in the other thread, if Kritzberg's hearsay and Alyea's memory are accurate, then where are the other "little white cards"?  And what's your reason to just assume that the magic partial palmprint was one of those and state it as a fact?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2019, 08:20:03 PM »
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As I said in the other thread, if Kritzberg's hearsay and Alyea's memory are accurate, then where are the other "little white cards"?  And what's your reason to just assume that the magic partial palmprint was one of those and state it as a fact?

The FACT is:.... I've seen the evidence inventory list and have the deductive reasoning to recognize that the list was created along with photos of the evidence that the FBI took into their possession at midnight 11 / 22/63.

It's truly a pity that you lack commonsense and the ability to think rationally......

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