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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2019, 08:32:11 PM »
This listing of just TWO spent shells alone, and by itself, indicates that this document ( evidence inventory list) was created at a time when there were only TWO spent shells in evidence.....  And that time was the evening of 11 / 22/ 63.

Nope. Fritz didnít hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27.

John....On the evening of 11 / 22 /63 ...The DPD claimed that they had only TWO spent shells......  And that's what they released to the FBI.   Item # 9 on the evidence list ( The original , Document "A" ) says quote.... " 6.5 spent rounds (2) "    ... unquote.

How can you deny what is typed right there on the list that also includes the partial palm print..."off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip  c 2766"

Walt you are wasting everyone's time here. If you suspect the DPD, SS, FBI, CIA and WH were in on the conspiracy then you have to chuck out everything on record that comes from them, especially when it`s not dated. That 3x5" card was a fraud. So why do you defend its authenticity? If the conspirators control the narrative then you cannot take anything they claim on face value. So why do you?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2019, 08:32:11 PM »

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2019, 09:18:22 PM »
Walt you are wasting everyone's time here. If you suspect the DPD, SS, FBI, CIA and WH were in on the conspiracy then you have to chuck out everything on record that comes from them, especially when it`s not dated. That 3x5" card was a fraud. So why do you defend its authenticity? If the conspirators control the narrative then you cannot take anything they claim on face value. So why do you?

If you suspect the DPD, SS, FBI, CIA and WH were in on the conspiracy then you have to chuck out everything on record that comes from them,

Yes that's true....  And especially the crap that the Warren Commission dumped on us.   

If I'm wasting your time just ignore my posts....

The 3 X 5 card was listed on the original evidence inventory list.... That 3 X 5 card was created by Lt Day in the TSBD that afternoon when Day discovered the smudge that he imagined might be a palm print.  He realized that the wood of the foregrip would absorb the print rapidly so he decided to lift it with cellophane tape.  Tom Alyea watched him as he lifted the smudge and placed the tape on a 3 X 5 white card , and then scrawled the pertinent information on that 3 X 5 card....Day scrawled.... "off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip  c2766"  ... He also dated the card 11/22/63  and signed his name JC Day.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2019, 11:09:59 PM »
If you suspect the DPD, SS, FBI, CIA and WH were in on the conspiracy then you have to chuck out everything on record that comes from them,

Yes that's true....  And especially the crap that the Warren Commission dumped on us.   

If I'm wasting your time just ignore my posts....

The 3 X 5 card was listed on the original evidence inventory list.... That 3 X 5 card was created by Lt Day in the TSBD that afternoon when Day discovered the smudge that he imagined might be a palm print.  He realized that the wood of the foregrip would absorb the print rapidly so he decided to lift it with cellophane tape.  Tom Alyea watched him as he lifted the smudge and placed the tape on a 3 X 5 white card , and then scrawled the pertinent information on that 3 X 5 card....Day scrawled.... "off underside of gun barrel near end of foregrip  c2766"  ... He also dated the card 11/22/63  and signed his name JC Day.

Paul Groody, the mortician who received Oswald's body after his autopsy, claimed that in the early morning of Monday, November 25th, "agents" visited his funeral home and asked to be alone with Oswald's body. After they left, he had to remove fingerprint ink from Oswald's fingers and hands. That was 3 days after Day dated the card. I assume they already had Oswald's prints on file so what were they doing lifting prints from a dead body? Where are those prints, who do you believe and why?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2019, 11:46:47 PM »
Paul Groody, the mortician who received Oswald's body after his autopsy, claimed that in the early morning of Monday, November 25th, "agents" visited his funeral home and asked to be alone with Oswald's body. After they left, he had to remove fingerprint ink from Oswald's fingers and hands. That was 3 days after Day dated the card. I assume they already had Oswald's prints on file so what were they doing lifting prints from a dead body? Where are those prints, who do you believe and why?

I don't give a RA what somebody said.....  I can SEE the evidence with my own eyes.... Get your head out and perhaps you also will see for yourself. 

The Palm print ( smudge) was discovered by Lt Day shortly after he pulled the rifle from beneath the wooden pallet.   Tom Alyea saw him lift what he imagined to be a palm print and place the lift on the 3 X 5 card.  That card is on the evidence inventory list for the evening of 11 /22 63.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2019, 11:56:00 PM »
I don't give a RA what somebody said.....  I can SEE the evidence with my own eyes.... Get your head out and perhaps you also will see for yourself. 

The Palm print ( smudge) was discovered by Lt Day shortly after he pulled the rifle from beneath the wooden pallet.   Tom Alyea saw him lift what he imagined to be a palm print and place the lift on the 3 X 5 card.  That card is on the evidence inventory list for the evening of 11 /22 63.

If you say so.  But how do you know that was Oswald's palm print and they didn't replace it with his post-mortem print?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2019, 12:09:02 AM »
If you say so.  But how do you know that was Oswald's palm print and they didn't replace it with his post-mortem print?


IMO .....They simply made up the BS about the print being Lee Oswald's palm print.....And Yes... I'm well aware that FBI print expert Latona testified that the print was Lee Oswald's...But Latona had a career with the FBI...and his retirement was in the hands of J. Edgar Hoover.

Until you get past the idea that the authorities were the good guys ...You're just spinning your wheels, and going nowhere.....

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2019, 05:15:42 AM »
Alyea later claimed that Day was lifting prints (plural) and putting them on cards. If Day lifted the magic partial palmprint in the TSBD he would have said so. He claimed he lifted it later that night at the station. Thereís no evidence that he did either. Just because 11/22/63 is scrawled on the card doesnít mean that it was created then. It was scrawled on there to support a particular narrative. The fact remains that nobody else knew about the lift for days. An undated evidence list proves nothing.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2019, 05:16:23 AM by John Iacoletti »

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2019, 04:04:34 PM »
Alyea later claimed that Day was lifting prints (plural) and putting them on cards. If Day lifted the magic partial palmprint in the TSBD he would have said so. He claimed he lifted it later that night at the station. Thereís no evidence that he did either. Just because 11/22/63 is scrawled on the card doesnít mean that it was created then. It was scrawled on there to support a particular narrative. The fact remains that nobody else knew about the lift for days. An undated evidence list proves nothing.

Yes, you're right,  Alyea did use the plural...  But I assume that Alyea saw Lt Day putting scotch tape on the magazine / trigger guard and therefore used the plural.

If Day lifted the magic partial palmprint in the TSBD he would have said so.

There is a asterisk preceding item number 14 on the evidence inventory list ....The meaning of that asterisk is revealed in a note at the bottom of the evidence list....That Note says ...quote..."Taken from 6th floor, 411 Elm, by Lt Day and Detective Studebaker and taken to Crime Lab , City Hall." 


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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2019, 04:04:34 PM »

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2019, 07:39:37 PM »
Because your completely made up story about when Latona got the magic palmprint has no evidence to support it.

Nope. Fritz didnít hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27.

Walt wrote:...."This listing of just TWO spent shells alone, and by itself, indicates that this document ( evidence inventory list) was created at a time when there were only TWO spent shells in evidence.....  And that time was the evening of 11 / 22/ 63."

John argued;... Nope. Fritz didnít hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27.

Yes that's correct John.....so you should have wrote...  Yes, you're right, there were only two spent shells turned over to the FBI at midnight 11 / 22 /63 and Fritz didnít hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2019, 04:12:14 AM »
Yes that's correct John.....so you should have wrote...  Yes, you're right, there were only two spent shells turned over to the FBI at midnight 11 / 22 /63 and Fritz didnít hand over the alleged third shell until 11/27

But you were arguing that the first evidence list had to be written on 11/22 because that was the only day that there were only 2 shells in evidence. But thatís wrong. There were only 2 shells in evidence between 11/22 and 11/27.

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
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