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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2019, 07:41:12 PM »
Why do you think Latona focused his attention on that area of the rifle on 11/23?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #121 on: October 21, 2019, 08:00:50 PM »
Why do you think Latona focused his attention on that area of the rifle on 11/23?

He said that he did.... He said that when he received the 3 X 5 card ( a week after the murder) he knew that he had examined the area depicted in the photo and found nothing to indicate a print had been there nor any indication that the area had been dusted for prints.

Now, Mr. Latona, as I understand it, on November 23, therefore, the FBI had not succeeded in making an identification of a fingerprint or palmprint on the rifle,

Latona testified that when he examined the rifle on Saturday 11 / 23 /63 there was no indication that a lift had been made from the underside of the gun barrel, not even a hint of finger print powder.  How could he have focused his attention on that area  of the rifle if he didn't have any knowledge that a lift had been performed from that area?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2019, 08:11:51 PM »
LHO's right palm print (probably taken at the morgue):




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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2019, 08:20:35 PM »


Mr. BELIN. What other processing did you do with this particular rifle?
Mr. DAY. I took it to the office and tried to bring out the two prints I had seen on the side of the gun at the bookstore. They still were rather unclear. Due to the roughness of the metal, I photographed them rather than try to lift them. I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the barrel that extended under the woodstock. I started to take the woodstock off and noted traces of a palmprint near the firing end of the barrel about 3 inches under the wood-stock when I took the woodstock loose.
Mr. BELIN. You mean 3 inches from the small end of the woodstock?
Mr. DAY. Right--yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. From the firing end of the barrel, you mean the muzzle?
Mr. DAY. The muzzle; yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Let me clarify the record. By that you mean you found it on the metal or you mean you found it on the wood?
Mr. DAY. On the metal, after removing the wood.
Mr. BELIN. The wood. You removed the wood, and then underneath the wood is where you found the print?
Mr. DAY. On the bottom side of the barrel which was covered by the wood, I found traces of a palmprint. I dusted these and tried lifting them, the prints, with scotch tape in the usual manner. A faint palmprint came off. I could still see traces of the print under the barrel and was going to try to use photography to bring off or bring out a better print. About this time I received instructions from the chief's office to go no further with the processing, it was to be released to the FBI for them to complete. I did not process the underside of the barrel under the scopic sight, did not get to this area of the gun.



Jack, since you were kind enough to post he print.....Could you explain how Lt Day could have seen a print on the bottom of the barrel on the carcano?  Look at a photo of that area of a carcano and try to reconcile Day's description with that are of a carcano...

Day said ...Quote..."I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the barrel that extended under the woodstock"...unquote..

Question...How could Day have seen a print on THE SIDE of the barrel and then lift the print from the BOTTOM of the barrel??.....

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2019, 08:24:37 PM »
LHO's right palm print (probably taken at the morgue):

Jack , can you reduce the size a bit so we can see the area of Lee's palm that is allegedly shown in CE 639   .....I believe the WC said that the area was nearer to the litle finger joint, and that's the area that was circled on the exhibit.




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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #125 on: October 21, 2019, 09:17:55 PM »
If that index card was exactly 3" x 5" then we can measure the dimensions of the print and scale it  precisely with Oswald's inked palm print. The focus should be on LHO's palm swirl:



This GIF is not good enough to establish a match. We need to work with the best imagery available and we need to get the scale and orientation exactly right (which is not the case here). I doubt a match can be established even if there is one.

Less to work with than Malcolm Wallace's print found on a box on the 6th floor. There is obviously a heavy bias here to link Oswald to the MC, since he posed with the rifle in his backyard, took a pot shot at Walker with it (missed due to the wonky scope), disassembled it and placed it into a paper bag (with wonky scope), smuggled it into the TSBD, reassembled it with a dime as a screwdriver, hid the MC on the 6th floor, retrieved it later and took at least 3 shots at the POTUS, then ditched the rifle and fled the scene without leaving a single identifiable print on the rifle. The lack of Oswald's prints on everything is the smoking gun here. The DPD's total disregard for the fingerprint evidence is another smoking gun. The DPD knew there were no prints to compromise so they bare-handled everything.

Where is the analysis that demonstrates a match to Oswald palm print?


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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #126 on: October 21, 2019, 09:19:55 PM »


We know the tape was 1 inch wide. So this print looks to be about 3/4 of an inch across ....   Since the print couldn't possibly have been lifted from a round surface that had a half circumference of 1 inch ( the circumference of the carcano barrel is two inches)   This print is not at all distorted as it would be if the palm was wrapped around the barrel of the carcano.    This print appears to have been lifted from a flat surface......

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #127 on: October 21, 2019, 09:25:59 PM »
If that index card was exactly 3" x 5" then we can measure the dimensions of the print and scale it  precisely with Oswald's inked palm print. The focus should be on LHO's palm swirl:



This GIF is not good enough to establish a match. We need to work with the best imagery available and we need to get the scale and orientation exactly right (which is not the case here). I doubt a match can be established even if there is one.

Less to work with than Malcolm Wallace's print found on a box on the 6th floor. There is obviously a heavy bias here to link Oswald to the MC, since he posed with the rifle in his backyard, took a pot shot at Walker with it (missed due to the wonky scope), disassembled it and placed it into a paper bag (with wonky scope), smuggled it into the TSBD, reassembled it with a dime as a screwdriver, hid the MC on the 6th floor, retrieved it later and took at least 3 shots at the POTUS, then ditched the rifle and fled the scene without leaving a single identifiable print on the rifle. The lack of Oswald's prints on everything is the smoking gun here. The DPD's total disregard for the fingerprint evidence is another smoking gun. The DPD knew there were no prints to compromise so they bare-handled everything.

Where is the analysis that demonstrates a match to Oswald palm print?

Jack, While looking for witness testimony this morning I saw a photo in which Lee's right palm was shown.....They circled the area from which the palm print had allegedly deposited the print on the barrel.....  It was NOT the heel of the palm that was circled....The area circled was more toward the little finger joint...

PS I found the exhibit ....It's CE 638.     And the area circled is not the heel of the palm.....
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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #128 on: October 21, 2019, 09:46:21 PM »
For the record, below is LHO's post-mortem right hand print. I don't see any other swirl near his pinky or anywhere else on his palm that matches the print lifted by Day. Do you?

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Re: 3 x 5 Index Card that is item # 14 On the List
« Reply #129 on: October 21, 2019, 09:54:27 PM »
For the record, below is LHO's post-mortem right hand  print. I don't see any other swirl near his pinky or otherwise that matches the print lifted by Day. Do you?



No, there is no swirl in the area of the palm near the pinky finger joint of Lee's right hand ....  And I think you'll agree that if a mans hand was wrapped around the barrel the print would be distorted by the curvature of the round barrel ....and yet when you superimposed the print from a FLAT surface onto the lift there seems to be a possible match.   How can that be???

 

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