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[John Iacoletti]

It is clear he was reluctant to place himself The fact he walked to the 5th floor before the assassination instead of being carried off the 6th floor after the assassination indicates he never had a chance encounter with LHO like Tippit.

a) there’s no reason to think the same person killed Tippit

b) the alleged TSBD assassin only brought 4 bullets

[Martin Weidmann]

Actually, Richard states it best. There is a complete lack of evidence that BRW was ever in the SN, LHO not so much.

Knowing that shots were possibly or likely fired from that exact location, do you really think that BRW would have any incentive to say "yeah, I was there a few minutes prior to the shots"?

I don't know about BRW but I would not. It is clear he was reluctant to place himself on the 6th floor and with good reason . The fact he walked to the 5th floor before the assassination instead of being carried off the 6th floor after the assassination indicates he never had a chance encounter with LHO like Tippit.

There is a complete lack of evidence that BRW was ever in the SN

The only way this statement could be true is if the available evidence, which is being completely ignored, wouldn't exist.

[Jack Nessan]

No, Mooney was describing what became known as the snipers nest.....the "cubby hole" constructed of cartons.

I then went on back to the 6th floor and went direct to the far corner and then discovered a cubby hole which had been constructed out of cartons which protected it from sight and found where someone had been in an area of perhaps 2 feet surrounded by cardboard cartons of books. Inside this cubby hole affair was three more boxes so arranged as to provide what appeared to be a rest for a rifle. On one of these cartons was a half-eaten piece of chicken.

He distinguishes between cartons that were used to construct the "cubby hole" and boxes for the rifle rest. He distinctly clarified this in his WC testimony. The chicken and lunch sack was no more than 5 feet from the boxes. He was in the SN area from the time he found it until after Fritz arrived. Probably 10 minutes or so. In that time Gerald Hill came to observe the scene. He was photographed hanging ut out the next window along and reporter Tom Ewell told of him announcing about the unfinished chicken in the SN. A number of other officers who observed the SN prior to the arrival of Fritz provided reports consistent with the lunch remnants in the SN.

Mooney knew of no lunch sack by the third window because it wasn’t there at that time. Obviously someone put the chicken piece inside the sack before Studebaker processed it.

BRW said nothing of his lunch, position or how it was "discovered" by Studebaker, until Day asked the employees "who left their chicken bones in a sack by the two wheeler" on Monday 25th. He was influenced by Day, who was told of the lunch by Studebaker.

Who thinks BRW sat behind a closed window on the 6th floor for almost 15 minutes waiting to see the President? Yet as soon as he went down stairs he decided that the window should be opened.

I suggest Boyd is a prime candidate for your media influenced/talking to others chinese whispers. At the time he was present the chicken lunch was not 30-40 feet away.

It is a huge stretch to interpret Mooney's statement as being anything other than the rifle rest. That he was somehow mentally making the distinction between boxes and cartons in a simple affidavit. Other detectives place the chicken in completely different places which is what brings you back to Alyea's statement.

"Mooney knew of no lunch sack by the third window"

 Not knowing about the lunch does not mean they weren't there. He did not know about the rifle until is was found. I doubt anyone cried out I found a lunch sack with chicken in it and a frito bag and next to it is a Dr Pepper pop bottle.

"In that time Gerald Hill came to observe the scene. He was photographed hanging ut out the next window along and reporter Tom Ewell told of him announcing about the unfinished chicken in the SN."

The rest of the observation by Ewell is that Hill was waving a piece of chicken. That never happened.

"Mooney knew of no lunch sack by the third window because it wasn’t there at that time. Obviously someone put the chicken piece inside the sack before Studebaker processed it."

This is where this train of thought really goes off the rails. Why would these people just assume it does or does not belong to the assassin? The news media obviously believed that to be the case because they were told that was the case by someone. Why would the detectives conspire to do this evidence tampering in full view of all the other detectives, news media, employees and witnesses searching the 6th floor? How would they possibly know the age of the bones or anything about their history? Why would they assume moving them a short distance would have any impact on the investigation?

[Jack Nessan]

There is a complete lack of evidence that BRW was ever in the SN

The only way this statement could be true if the available evidence which is being completely ignored wouldn't exist.

What is the "available evidence" that is being ignored?

[John Iacoletti]

Jack, why would you assume that if the bag was moved, it was done to intentionally thwart the investigation?

[Martin Weidmann]

What is the "available evidence" that is being ignored?

Do you participate in this thread without actually reading the posts of others?  John Iacolletti already answered your question;

- Rowland’s sighting of a negro in that window.
- the presence of a lunch bag when the SN was discovered.

I will only add BRW's own admission that he was on the 6th floor until a few minutes prior to the shots.

Now, what evidence places Oswald in the SN any time after 12.00 ?

[Walt Cakebread]

Do you participate in this thread without actually reading the posts of others?  John Iacolletti already answered your question;

I will only add BRW's own admission that he was on the 6th floor until a few minutes post shots.

Now, what evidence places Oswald in the SN any time between after 12.00 ?

There is no such evidence.....   However, Lee told Captain Fritz, that he was in the first floor lunchroom at the time the President passed by the TSBD.  "At the time the President passed by" is a generalization, and ambiguous term.....It does not necessarily indicate a precise time.   We know that JFK's Lincoln  passed the TSBD at 12:30....And we Know that James (Junior) Jarman, and Harold Norman walked by the 1st floor lunchroom circa 12:26 / 12:27.   ( just 3 or 4 minutes before JFK passed by the TSBD,)... and Lee Oswald saw them as they walked by...... So there IS verification that Lee Oswald was NOT on the sixth floor at 12:27, which makes it unbelievable that he could have been on the 6th floor and firing a rifle out of a window at 12:30.