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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2019, 12:39:25 PM »
I am brainwashed by Newman and Simpich et al? I am not the person citing their opinions to support my conspiracy view. That would be you.

To be explicit about my view: Lee Oswald shot JFK. We'll never understand his motives (those went with him) but they were probably, in part, because of JFK's covert war on Castro and Cuba. And also because of his extreme hatred of the US system in general and because he wanted to become a historic figure.

About 10 days before the assassination he visits the FBI headquarters in Dallas and leaves a rather "provocative" note. That's not the act of someone conspiring to kill the president ten days later. He's drawing attention to himself. The day before the assassination he retrieves his old rifle. He has to get a ride the next day from a co-worker.

These are the acts of a desperate person, working on his own, using his meager resources. It's not the act of any conspiracy. Where is the help?

Norman Mailer interviewed several dozen former KGB agents when he went to Minsk. These were the men assigned to the Oswald matter. All said that Oswald was viewed as a crank, an unstable person and they didn't want anything to do with him. He was simply not someone they could use. Mailer also interviewed many of Oswald's colleagues, associates and co-workers. None describe him as being missing for any length of time where he would have received this KGB training.

All of this evidence that Begley ignores completely undermines his argument that Nosenko was a triple agent or a "fake" defector. Even assuming for the sake of it that Nosenko was a false defector, it's an absurd leap to argue that because he said the KGB never used Oswald that in fact Oswald was a trained KGB operative sent back to the US. You need proof of this training and there isn't any.

Finally, no on here responds to your posts because you come across as not exactly the type of guy a person wants as his neighbor. In other words, you need to work on your charm and charisma if you want people to talk with you.

Steven,

Glad to see you and I agree that Oswald shot JFK.

My hero, your Tennent H. Begley [sic], was, by all accounts, not a student of the assassination. He was intrigued, however, by the fact that false defector Yuri Nosenko not only implausibly claimed to have been in charge of Oswald's KGB file three or four times (and to have been the one who recommended his not being allowed to stay in the USSR, etc), but that the KGB hadn't even interviewed the former Marine Corps radar operator.

Newman, trusting (hopefully not on all things!) KGB Colonel Oleg Nechiporenko, believes KGB interviewed Oswald twice.

Meebe more.

(I can't find it now, but I've read somewhere that Bagley believed Nosenko's implausible statement indicated that the KGB had had a prior relationship with Oswald.)

Bagley's main concern was trying to protect the CIA (and the FBI, too, I suppose) from being penetrated by Soviet intelligence, and for his employer, the CIA, to penetrate Soviet intelligence. As a result of his very thorough "studying" and with a little help from James Angleton (who insisted he read Golitsyn's file right after he and fluent Russian-speaker George Kisevalter had interviewed Nosenko five times in Geneva in 1962) he became convinced that Golitsyn was a true defector and Nosenko a false one.

Bagley, no "sadistic incompetent" as Michael Clark claims, realized that Anatoliy Golitsyn and Pyotr Deriabin and a few others were true defectors, and that Aleksey Kulak (FBI's Fedora) and Dimitri Polyakov (FBI's Top Hat; CIA's Bourbon) and several others were triple-agents, that Yuri Nosenko and a few others were false defectors, and that never-uncovered Edward Ellis Smith (and probably someone in the SR Division he helped KGB to recruit), and a never-uncovered code-clerk called "Jack" by the KGB, and possibly one or two others (my personal favorite: Bagley's erstwhile colleague in interviewing Nosenko -- George Kisevalter) were "moles".

As far as the JFK assassination was concerned, he, like you, was what people in the so-called research community call a "Lone Nutter".

I vacillate between being a "Lone Nutter" and a "Conspiracy Theorist," but that doesn't mean I sometimes believe Oswald conspired with the evil, evil, evil CIA, or the Mafia, or The Minutemen.  If he conspired at all, it was with the likes of Igor Vaganov, Miguel Casas Saez, Gilberto Policarpo Lopez, and/or long-term KGB "illlegal" George DeMohrenschildt (yes, I know he wasn't in town at the time, but still ...)

Have a nice day, and I mean it goddammit.

Your buddy,
Mudd Wrassler Tommy  ;)

PS  If I were in my "Oswald Was Trained Or Programmed By The KGB" mode right now, in answer to your demand that I produce evidence of same, I would either refer you to Ion Pacepa's book, or would reply to you that I'm seriously thinking about filing some "Freedom of Information" requests in that highly transparent country known as The Great Russian Empire.

A little sarcasm, there, Steven. To brighten up your day. Please don't run away, now ...

LOL

PPS  I moved to the Czech Republic in 1993, and I detected paranoia among many of the older people who were living there.

One can only wonder at how paranoid (and controlled?) Mailer's interviewees were in 1992, or whenever.

Just sayin'.
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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2019, 02:43:19 PM »
Glad to see you and I agree that Oswald shot JFK. -- LOL

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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2019, 03:27:37 PM »
Glad to see you and I agree that Oswald shot JFK. -- LOL

Otto,

Well at least you read my post, so there's hope for you yet that you might eventually learn something real.

Btw, are you saying that Steven M. Galbraith doesn't believe Oswald killed JFK?

--  MWT  ;)
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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2019, 03:55:39 PM »
Certainly not, from what I've seen, Galbraith is firmly rooted in the Von P landfill, like this one

The more evidence of Oswald's guilt is, for the conspiracy advocates, more evidence of his innocence. Why? Because it's faked and, thus, evidence of a conspiracy.

When Garrison said that you have to think that "Up is down and down is up" he was revealing how conspiracists look at this event. A thousand pieces of evidence that Oswald shot JFK is, for them, a thousand pieces of evidence that he didn't.
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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2019, 04:49:59 PM »
Certainly not, from what I've seen, Galbraith is firmly rooted in the Von P landfill, like this one

Otto,

It's a pity (British English) you're so ignorant on matters JFK Assassination, even though you've probably got xxxxxxxxxx memorized by heart.

-- MWT  ;)

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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2019, 06:21:09 PM »
Otto,

It's a pity (British English) you're so ignorant on matters JFK Assassination, even though you've probably got xxxxxxxxxx memorized by heart.

-- MWT  ;)

I'm not sure what "matter" you're referring to as the case, IMO, is so vast that a single person can not be expected to cover everything even in a lifetime.

Good luck with your Galbraith buddy project!

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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2019, 08:19:36 PM »
I'm not sure what "matter" you're referring to as the case, IMO, is so vast that a single person can not be expected to cover everything even in a lifetime.

Good luck with your Galbraith buddy project!

Otto,

My android ran out of juice and then I forgot that I wanted to fill "xxxxxxxxxxxx," above (couldn't remember the title at the time).

CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY, by Jim Marrs.

LOL

-- MWT  ;)
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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2019, 08:42:56 PM »
Otto,

My android ran out of juice and then I forgot that I wanted to fill "xxxxxxxxxxxx," above (couldn't remember the title at the time).

CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY, by Jim Marrs.

LOL

-- MWT  ;)

Well, since we now have the substitution in place I kinda hate break it to you: your assumption was wrong.

Don't let it ruin your day ;-)

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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2019, 10:39:04 PM »
Well, since we now have the substitution in place I kinda hate break it to you: your assumption was wrong.

Don't let it ruin your day ;-)

Hey Otto.

What's with the attitude?

-- MWT  ;)

PS  What brought you to this forum?

1)  Oliver Stone's  JFK

or

2)  General hatred of the USA?

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Re: My On-Again, Off-Again "Co-conspirator" at the EF Posted This In 2016 ...
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2019, 10:59:04 PM »
Hey Otto.

What's with the attitude?

-- MWT  ;)

PS  What brought you to this forum?

1)  Oliver Stone's  JFK

or

2)  General hatred of the USA?

Neither.

 

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