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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #1184 on: June 01, 2020, 02:19:15 AM »
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Allegedly.

But that was back in '66.

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Re: Those Front Steps
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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #1185 on: June 01, 2020, 06:41:49 AM »
He said she came running up to the steps and they had an exchange---------

Up to the steps, not “climbed the steps”. And Shelley talked to her on the concrete island.

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« Reply #1186 on: June 01, 2020, 06:48:07 AM »
Ta.

What Graves’ calls “research” is squinting at blurry images and declaring who people are.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #1187 on: June 01, 2020, 07:11:39 AM »
She may simply be misremembering

No doubt in her mind.

The only reason we even know this is Gloria Calvery is because Karen Westbrook donated photos to the 6FM and identified Gloria Calvery in them.



Ponder that.
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« Reply #1188 on: June 01, 2020, 07:32:29 AM »
No doubt in her mind.

The only reason we even know this is Gloria Calvery is because Karen Westbrook donated photos to the 6FM and identified Gloria Calvery in them.



Ponder that.

Yes, well, I suppose there IS a difference between recognizing a colleague from the front versus from behind, and at a significant distance from an elevated camera, and some fifty years after the fact, at that.

No wonder Westbrook got it all screwed up.

But I shouldn't be too harsh on her, I suppose.

After all, she was wearing a (light blue?) headscarf during the motorcade (just like her three colleagues!), and the gal standing to the left of blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons by the Stemmons sign (Gloria Holt) did have strawberry-blond hair that shone kinda reddish in the light of that late November sun and/or just came out looking that way (but not nearly as red as Calvery's hair) in Zapruder's "color-saturated" film.

So there ARE those mitigating factors, aren't there.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #1189 on: June 01, 2020, 09:46:16 AM »
Up to the steps, not “climbed the steps”.

We see this woman standing on the bottom step in Darnell, face to face with the man. We don't see her climbing the steps. And even if we did, where would the problem be?

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And Shelley talked to her on the concrete island.

Indeed! If that is Ms Calvery in Darnell, then her encounter with Mr Shelley has already happened.
The question that interests me is---------------why did Mr Shelley change his story?

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #1190 on: June 01, 2020, 09:51:40 AM »
No doubt in her mind.

Maybe her memory is not infallible!

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The only reason we even know this is Gloria Calvery is because Karen Westbrook donated photos to the 6FM and identified Gloria Calvery in them.



Ponder that.

How does her ability to retain photographs and/or her generosity vouch for the reliability of her memory?

In any case, researchers already knew from other photographs what Ms Calvery looked like before they got eyes on Ms Westbrook's kind donation.
 
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« Reply #1191 on: June 01, 2020, 10:15:41 AM »
Maybe her memory is not infallible!

How does her ability to retain photographs and/or her generosity vouch for the reliability of her memory?

In any case, researchers already knew from other photographs what Ms Calvery looked like before they got eyes on Ms Westbrook's kind donation.
 
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Oh

My

Gosh


LOOK at how RED her hair is!

MUCH, MUCH, MUCH redder than Gloria Holt's strawberry-blond hair!


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