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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #216 on: November 01, 2019, 08:44:46 PM »
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Now! The questions we must ask are:

1. Why did Mr Shelley pretend to have stayed on those steps for much longer than he had?

2. Why did Messrs Shelley & Lovelady both pretend they had both looked back and seen Officer Baker and Mr Truly on their way into the building 3-4 minutes (ii) after the last shot?

These wild time overestimations can't have been in order to discredit Ms Vicki Adams, because Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady could have much more easily added phoney time to their railroad excursion.

Was it related instead to this little revelation in Mr James Jarman's HSCA interview?:

"There was a Billy Lovelady standing on the steps.... Oswald was coming out the door and Lovelady said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building.  Lovelady said that Mr. Truly told the policeman that Oswald was alright...."

Remember, remember--------------Mr Oswald was just behind Mr Lovelady when the shots were fired, therefore we can't assume that either Mr Lovelady or Mr Shelley had noticed him during the shooting!



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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #217 on: November 01, 2019, 08:52:35 PM »
Now! The questions we must ask are:

1. Why did Mr Shelley pretend to have stayed on those steps for much longer than he had?

2. Why did Messrs Shelley & Lovelady both pretend they had both looked back and seen Officer Baker and Mr Truly on their way into the building 3-4 minutes (ii) after the last shot?

These wild time overestimations can't have been in order to discredit Ms Vicki Adams, because Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady could have much more easily added phoney time to their railroad excursion.

Was it related instead to this little revelation in Mr James Jarman's HSCA interview?:

"There was a Billy Lovelady standing on the steps.... Oswald was coming out the door and Lovelady said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building.  Lovelady said that Mr. Truly told the policeman that Oswald was alright...."

Remember, remember--------------Mr Oswald was just behind Mr Lovelady when the shots were fired, therefore we can't assume that either Mr Lovelady or Mr Shelley had noticed him during the shooting!



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    Well, if they are discrediting Vicki Adams, they are also discrediting the Baker and Truly time line. What You Fail to realize is that the longer it takes Baker/Truly to get inside the TSBD and reach the 2nd Floor lunchroom, the more time Oswald would have to go from the landing Outside the TSBD to that same 2nd floor lunchroom where he would then encounter Baker/Truly.  Your Theory is being aided by the Lovelady/Shelley roughly 3 minute time line.  Wake Up

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #218 on: November 02, 2019, 12:02:30 AM »
Friends, here's Mr Bill Shelley on the afternoon of 11/22/63:



In the left-hand footage, look at
------------his short sleeves
------------what he's holding.

I think Mr Shelley is PrayerMan in the Wiegman film and is
-------------in those same short sleeves
-------------drinking from a disposable white coffee cup just like that...



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in the left side of your GIF clip is that not Shelley in the white shirt?

It certaintly is NOT a DARK shirt anywhere close to matching Prayerblobs shirt

And if you say that Shelley had on a dark suit and a tie. Dont see any black tie on Prayerblob and Prayerblob has the dark sleeves rolled up which its extremely doubtful to me that Shelley in a suit would roll up his suit sleeves  :-\

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #219 on: November 02, 2019, 12:37:20 AM »

in the left side of your GIF clip is that not Shelley in the white shirt?

It certaintly is NOT a DARK shirt anywhere close to matching Prayerblobs shirt

And if you say that Shelley had on a dark suit and a tie. Dont see any black tie on Prayerblob and Prayerblob has the dark sleeves rolled up which its extremely doubtful to me that Shelley in a suit would roll up his suit sleeves  :-\

    Ford is unable to Verify: (1)  DATE of the Coffee Footage, (2) LOCATION of the Coffee Footage, and (3) WHO filmed the Coffee Footage. Until this is resolved, attempting to tie it to Shelley images captured on 11/22/63 is pointless.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #220 on: November 02, 2019, 03:19:22 AM »
    Well, if they are discrediting Vicki Adams, they are also discrediting the Baker and Truly time line. What You Fail to realize is that the longer it takes Baker/Truly to get inside the TSBD and reach the 2nd Floor lunchroom (~~~)

What you're failing to realize is that the Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter in the second floor lunchroom never happened. You haven't a clue (or: are pretending, true to form, not to have one)!  Thumb1:
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« Reply #221 on: November 02, 2019, 03:26:28 AM »

in the left side of your GIF clip is that not Shelley in the white shirt?

It certaintly is NOT a DARK shirt anywhere close to matching Prayerblobs shirt

And if you say that Shelley had on a dark suit and a tie. Dont see any black tie on Prayerblob and Prayerblob has the dark sleeves rolled up which its extremely doubtful to me that Shelley in a suit would roll up his suit sleeves  :-\

Ah, I see the source of your 'confusion', Mr Mason
---------------you are pretending that I am equating PrayerManInWiegman with PrayerManInDarnell.

Your studied obtuseness is fooling nobody!

Show us how you know that PrayerManInWiegman is not wearing a black tie!

And that Mr Shelley was wearing his suit jacket at 12:30pm that day!

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #222 on: November 02, 2019, 04:16:22 AM »
What you're failing to realize is that the Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter in the second floor lunchroom never happened.

 ???  Hi Alan. How are you doing? I see that you haven't been avoiding them mushrooms.. Good for you.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #223 on: November 02, 2019, 04:30:50 AM »
???  Hi Alan. How are you doing? I see that you haven't been avoiding them mushrooms.. Good for you.

Hello, Mr Nickerson!

Can you explain the dark shadow down Mr Lovelady's right side in the Wiegman film?



No one else can!

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