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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #152 on: October 26, 2019, 04:20:28 PM »
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here is a question: If Couch started his film within just a few seconds of having seen the rifle in the 6th floor SE window of TSBD at about 3 sec post shots, then why did it take 21 seconds longer to begin filming at 24 sec post last shot?
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If Couch has stated that even 10 seconds is a "long time" for a professional cameraman, such as himself, are we to believe that is took him TWICE that long to reach for his camera and after a "quick adjustment" start filming?

How could Couch be capturing Weigman himself on the GK , turning around, after Weigman had just stopped his camera after filming briefly the Hester couple hiding in the Pergola structure, at approx 15 sec post last shot per Wiegman jumping from his car about at 2nd shot or 3rd shot fired?

8 seconds into Couch film, the camera pans past the women on the Elm st curb and Baker (apparently) having run past them to capture the following:

1. Police officer on the LEFT side of Elm st, with gun drawn. THAT is the officer that Couch refers too, NOT Baker. Couch  does NOT mention of Baker, or of seeing a police officer running into the crowd of women, on his way to TSBD entrance steps. HOW did Couch miss this?

2. In the background, by the Stemmons freeway sign, can be seen running, the same black suit man with black hat who looks pretty much exactly like the same man in Wiegman film on Elm st. curb earlier, who has been identified as Mr.Campbell. IF so, then that corroborates the time being approx 15 sec post shot when seen in Couch film, because Mr.Campbell had to leave his position with Mrs Reid about 2nd shot fired to have been able to have LOS to see JFK limo speed away. Any later than about 5 sec post shots, and Mr Campbell would have missed seeing the JFK Limo entirely, as it goes thru the Triple underpass and is out of LOS after that.

Since the distance from the curb where Mr.Campbell is standing in Wiegman film to the Stemmons highway sign is approx 100 ft, and since an average double time running speed is not more than 10 ft per second, then if Mr Campbell DID leave Mrs Reid not later than 5 sec post last shot fired, then indeed, Mr Campbell would have been seen at 15 sec post shots in Couch film, ONLY IF, Couch had started his film approx 7 sec post shots.  Then, 8 seconds later, as Couch camera pans to Elm st, the time would be 15 secs post shots, capturing Mr Campbell running.

3. Wiegman on the Grassy Knoll. Wiegmans camera is rolling BEFORE the shots are fired, and AS shots are fired, there is the scene captured of Mr.Campbell and (presumptively) Mrs Reid, the white scarf, heavy set woman beside him, on the Elm st. curb. At about the 3rd shot fired or even possibly the 2nd shot fired, Wiegman jumps from his car. His camera is NOT cut, it is continuously running here. This time of jumping is recorded in Wiegmans film, 15 seconds from start of his film. At the 30 sec mark, Wiegman film is CUT. That is right at approx 15 secs from when Weigman jumped from the car, hence defacto 15 sec post last shot fired.

What does Wiegman do now? Does he just stand there for another 18 to 20 seconds doing nothing with his now stopped camera? Does that seem probable for a professional camera man to do, given that Couch WC testimony is that just 10 seconds is a "long time" for a professional camera man.

Imo, Weigman stops his camera, then immediately he turns around and he spots the Newmans laying on the ground. Wiegman then starts his camera again, and this "cut" between ending filming the Hesters and beginning filming the Newmans is clearly identifiable in the Wiegman film. This "Turning Around" movement by Wiegman is CLEARLY seen in the Couch film. This could only be at 15 sec post shots fired and thus Couch film capturing Wiegman on the GK turning around, must be 15 seconds post shot as well.

This means Couch film had to have been started NOT at 24 second post shots as has been the current "factoid" established time, but actually Couch film must be started approximately 7 seconds post last shot, such that 8 seconds into Couch film, would be 15 second post shots, capturing Weigman turning around on the GK, and Mr. Campbell running past the Stemmon highway sign on Elm st.

     In the revered "Pictures Of The Pain", Trask details Wiegman having run into/seeing SA Lem Johns UP the knoll. How is this Not on the Wiegman Film? The Wiegman Film for close to 40 years was ballyhooed as being filmed Continuously. We NOW Know this was a bunch of baloney as would anyone that actually views the Wiegman Film. The current timelines assigned to many of the assassination films, photos, and the individuals captured on them has been Wrong for 55+ years.  If you look at the Lovelady and Shelly WC testimonies, they both said immediately after the shooting they crossed the Elm St Ext and then stood on that small island right across from the TSBD. They both testified that they stood there for roughly 3 minutes Before going down the Elm Ext and then into the fringe of the railroad yard.  The Lovelady and Shelley WC testimonies all by themselves render the Baker and Truly timelines to be BOGUS. 

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« Reply #153 on: October 26, 2019, 04:20:47 PM »
it based on Mr Campbell FBI statements and Mrs Robert A. Reid WC testimony of where they both were relative to each other.

Of course they could both be mistaken, but where else on the Elm st curb scene in Wiegman is a man with dark hat and dark suit that could possibly probably be Mr Campbell?

Here’s the problem. I don’t think anybody actually knows that Campbell was wearing a dark hat and suit.

Also the alleged Campbell is used to identify the alleged Reid, and the alleged Reid is used to identify the alleged Campbell, so it’s circular.

Also the alleged Reid does not resemble the one known picture of Reid.

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« Reply #154 on: October 26, 2019, 04:26:01 PM »
Here’s the problem. I don’t think anybody actually knows that Campbell was wearing a dark hat and suit.

Also the alleged Campbell is used to identify the alleged Reid, and the alleged Reid is used to identify the alleged Campbell, so it’s circular.

Also the alleged Reid does not resemble the one known picture of Reid.

    This sounds more like Mr Chism

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« Reply #155 on: October 26, 2019, 05:15:11 PM »
     In the revered "Pictures Of The Pain", Trask details Wiegman having run into/seeing SA Lem Johns UP the knoll. How is this Not on the Wiegman Film? The Wiegman Film for close to 40 years was ballyhooed as being filmed Continuously. We NOW Know this was a bunch of baloney as would anyone that actually views the Wiegman Film. The current timelines assigned to many of the assassination films, photos, and the individuals captured on them has been Wrong for 55+ years.  If you look at the Lovelady and Shelly WC testimonies, they both said immediately after the shooting they crossed the Elm St Ext and then stood on that small island right across from the TSBD. They both testified that they stood there for roughly 3 minutes Before going down the Elm Ext and then into the fringe of the railroad yard.  The Lovelady and Shelley WC testimonies all by themselves render the Baker and Truly timelines to be BOGUS.

Nonsense! Messrs Lovelady and Shelley's WC testimonies are bogus----cf these gentlemen's original statements. They are both lying to (or rather: for!) the WC.

But yes---------the story told to the WC by Officer Baker and Mr Truly is also bogus. They encountered Mr Oswald at the front entrance, not in the second-floor lunchroom! Thumb1:

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« Reply #156 on: October 27, 2019, 07:24:58 PM »
    "It has to be" is Proof of Nothing. Once again, You are proffering your Opinion as being Fact.

So says the man whose sole method of interaction on this site is to proffer his opinion as fact, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Hilarious.

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« Reply #158 on: October 28, 2019, 12:37:34 AM »
“Thank heavens I brought my glow-in-the-dark coat to work with me!”

That would make sense in a professional situation.

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« Reply #159 on: October 28, 2019, 02:51:51 PM »
Geez Louise, another "member" crawls out from under his rock and starts attacking me, this gang banging just proves you're all running scared, fortunately I have the corroborating evidence on my side and you have a short list of nothing.
Btw you're way off target, my photo analysis is always on full display, I hide nothing, can you say the same?

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    Hilarious. You are getting hammered in Stereo on 2 threads simultaneously. When do we get the Mytton Mosaic or another one of your cartoon visual aids that proves nothing and mirrors a Woody Woodpecker short between the A and B movies?