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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2019, 10:24:11 AM »
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    If there were a Shadow "on the black guys RIGHT Arm, this same shadow would then also be visible on his torso/body at some point. We see None of this. You are disproving your own contention.

Rubbish. He was standing in a position where just his right arm was in the shadow.  You will see  this position in Stancak's overhead projection, showing the shadow on his right arm.Subsequently he moved  out of the shadow. Which you can see if you look closely at the gif.
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« Reply #57 on: October 18, 2019, 02:55:09 PM »
Rubbish. He was standing in a position where just his right arm was in the shadow.  You will see  this position in Stancak's overhead projection, showing the shadow on his right arm.Subsequently he moved  out of the shadow. Which you can see if you look closely at the gif.

     What you are attempting to proffer as Evidence is nothing more than a Visual Aid. This even falls short of trying to pass the Dox drawings off as being Fact. Both of which are fraught with peril. With regard to the Actual Wiegman Film images, I believe you are mistaking the hair of one of the ladies standing on the street in front of the black guy as a shadow on his (R) arm. 

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« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2019, 05:07:23 PM »
Friends, let's suppose for argument's sake that

---------------Mr Billy Lovelady is indeed shown in the Couch film




Alan, where exactly is Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldine Reid, in this slow motion gif above? I thought she was the woman to the far left, with the white scarf, dark dress, somewhat heavy.  She turns as Baker goes past. If this woman is NOT the same one seen in Wiegman film standing beside Mr.Campbell, then where has Mrs Reid gone?

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« Reply #59 on: October 18, 2019, 06:13:44 PM »
     What you are attempting to proffer as Evidence is nothing more than a Visual Aid. This even falls short of trying to pass the Dox drawings off as being Fact. Both of which are fraught with peril. With regard to the Actual Wiegman Film images, I believe you are mistaking the hair of one of the ladies standing on the street in front of the black guy as a shadow on his (R) arm.

What on earth are on about, Royell? Who is talking about Dox drawings? (another straw man?) I am talking about the following Wiegman frame. You willl have to enlarge to see the detail.


Which woman's hair do you think is causing the shadow up the black guys arm? She must be one of hell size.
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« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2019, 09:11:17 PM »
What on earth are on about, Royell? Who is talking about Dox drawings? (another straw man?) I am talking about the following Wiegman frame. You willl have to enlarge to see the detail.


Which woman's hair do you think is causing the shadow up the black guys arm? She must be one of hell size.

    The quality of that Wiegman still frame you posted may explain what you think you are seeing . You are mistaking the Inside Edge of that Pillar on his immediate (R) to be a shadow. On the latter Wiegman frames showing the front of the TSBD, (No cars), it is easy to see his entire (R) arm. The Light colored shirt he is wearing makes it easy to distinguish his (R) arm vs the Darker Inside Edge of that pillar. No Shadow is visible running across any portion of the black guy's body.

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« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2019, 09:29:58 PM »
The Wiegman film shows Mr Lovelady near the centre rail, looking down Elm Street, before moving downwards, still near the centre rail----------------



The fact that he is near the centre rail is the reason why he shows up in the Altgens photograph:



Were he over by the shadow line cast by the western column, he would not be able to look down Elm Street and he would not be showing up in the Altgens photograph. Very simple!  Thumb1:

So-----------what is causing that dark strip down Mr Lovelady's side in all the Wiegman frames showing him in the entranceway?



It cannot be a natural shadow, so what can it be??

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« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2019, 10:19:23 PM »
It cannot be a natural shadow, so what can it be??

Should be fairly easy to replicate in about one month!

Well there's no need actually, Mr Beck
-----------------we know the sun's angle to the entranceway at 12.30pm 11/22/63, we know the dimensions of the entranceway, and smarter people than me have done the 3D reconstructions.

Result? Not a natural shadow! As in: completely out of the question.

Mystery of the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's side? Unsolved!

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« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2019, 10:33:53 PM »
The lady in white in Darnell is catching no shadow from the western wall.

Yet Mr Lovelady in Wiegman, who is clearly not way over to the west of where she will be, has a dark strip down his right side!