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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2019, 09:55:40 PM »
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    I would rule out a coat being the black thing running down the entire side of the person known as Lovelady. To cover that much of his body would require a Trench coat. Many of the TSBD guys were laying plywood flooring that day while being paid minimum wage. This job function along with their scant wage would DQ a trench coat. On top of that, I have Never seen an image of any of the male TSBD employees wearing a trench coat.         

Mr Danny Arce wore a long black coat that day:


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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2019, 10:00:18 PM »
     The shadow seems peculiar/strange to me based on Lovelady having changed his position on the stairs.

Yes, this!

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I keep hearing that dense black strip that consumes the (R) side of Lovelady is the shadow of a "column". Specifically, what column is being referenced? If that alleged shadow is in fact being cast by a Column, I think it would be wise to take a good look at that column along with other images taken that day that included the column and the shadow it cast.

A very good look has been taken at the shadow cast by the western wall (Messrs Stancak, Hackerott et al), and it has been amply demonstrated that it did not go remotely deep (i.e. east) enough into the entranceway to fall on Mr Lovelady where we see him in the Wiegman film.

Whatever is causing that dark strip down Mr Lovelady's side, it is not a natural shadow!
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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2019, 10:32:51 PM »
But nothing can 'account for the shadow of the western column' because there is no shadow in that part of the entranceway. Mr Lovelady would have to be way over in the orange zone for the western column shadow to fall on him. Impossible!



Do you actually believe Mr Lovelady is way over in the orange zone in the second Wiegman frame here? Do your eyes really tell you that he is over by the redbrick wall, right behind Mr Carl Edward Jones??



    Your visual aid shows absolutely No Shadow being cast anywhere on the steps by an alleged "column".  The Issue comes down to where Lovelady was standing. Based on your visual aid, Lovelady would have had to  be standing on the landing and almost hugging the TSBD wall throughout the Wiegman Film to have a shadow possibly fall across his body/(R) side. Based on the Wiegman footage, Lovelady is close to the handrail and nowhere near the side of the TSBD. (Orange Zone on the visual aid) This alleged shadow has Yet to be reasonable explained.   

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« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2019, 11:25:42 PM »
    Your visual aid shows absolutely No Shadow being cast anywhere on the steps by an alleged "column".

The green line in Mr Stancak's reconstruction of the doorway in Darnell shows the shadow line:



Mr Hackerott's reconstruction yields the same result.

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The Issue comes down to where Lovelady was standing. Based on your visual aid, Lovelady would have had to  be standing on the landing and almost hugging the TSBD wall throughout the Wiegman Film to have a shadow possibly fall across his body/(R) side. Based on the Wiegman footage, Lovelady is close to the handrail and nowhere near the side of the TSBD. (Orange Zone on the visual aid) This alleged shadow has Yet to be reasonable explained.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2019, 01:44:22 AM »
For those still doubting the evidence of their own eyes...............

The fact that we can see 'Prayer Man' in these Wiegman frames (i.e. he is not at all being blocked from our view by Mr Lovelady) is further proof that Mr Lovelady is nowhere near the west wall, which is where he would need to be to catch natural shadow:



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If the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's right side is a dark jacket or coat, then
-----------either: Mr Lovelady is not the man in the red shirt on a lower step in the Hughes film
-----------or: Mr Lovelady is the man in the red shirt on a lower step in the Hughes film but is not the man with the dark strip down his right side in the Wiegman film



If, on the other hand, the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's side is caused by deliberate blacking out on the Wiegman frames, then the question becomes------------
Why would anyone go to such trouble to hide something in the entranceway?

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« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2019, 01:57:23 AM »
Mr Danny Arce wore a long black coat that day:



    Arce gave WC testimony that he was sent over to the TSBD to lay flooring on 11/22/63. I would seriously doubt he was wearing "a long black coat" while laying flooring inside the TSBD. He also testified that he was standing on the other side of the Elm St Extension when the JFK Limo passed by, and then he eventually went back inside the TSBD for roughly 15 minutes. Arce obviously was Not photographed or filmed by Altgens, Wiegman, or Darnell, while  standing on the TSBD steps wearing "a long black coat" as the JFK Limo began going down Elm St. He probably put the coat on after eventually returning to the TSBD and being told he was being taken to City Hall to make a statement.

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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2019, 02:10:44 AM »
For those still doubting the evidence of their own eyes...............

The fact that we can see 'Prayer Man' in these Wiegman frames (i.e. he is not at all being blocked from our view by Mr Lovelady) is further proof that Mr Lovelady is nowhere near the west wall, which is where he would need to be to catch natural shadow:



Now!

If the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's right side is a dark jacket or coat, then
-----------either: Mr Lovelady is not the man in the red shirt on a lower step in the Hughes film
-----------or: Mr Lovelady is the man in the red shirt on a lower step in the Hughes film but is not the man with the dark strip down his right side in the Wiegman film



If, on the other hand, the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's side is caused by deliberate blacking out on the Wiegman frames, then the question becomes------------
Why would anyone go to such trouble to hide something in the entranceway?

     To be fair, You need to acknowledge there is a Time Gap between the Hughes footage and the Wiegman footage. The same person could move a few feet during this Time Gap. The Black Shadow still remains unexplained.

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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2019, 11:58:50 AM »
But nothing can 'account for the shadow of the western column' because there is no shadow in that part of the entranceway. Mr Lovelady would have to be way over in the orange zone for the western column shadow to fall on him. Impossible!



Do you actually believe Mr Lovelady is way over in the orange zone in the second Wiegman frame here? Do your eyes really tell you that he is over by the redbrick wall, right behind Mr Carl Edward Jones??



If Lovelady was standing three steps up,( i.e. the step below the top landing,) from the orange spot  shown in your  frame, he would be half in shadow. NOT on the landing.

This would mean Prayerman was standing further forward of the entrance screen, not in the corner, and further against the wall than shown in the reconstruction.



And for Royell's benefit, the column we are talking about is the one at the West side wall of the entrance.
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