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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2019, 04:18:21 PM »
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Can someone explain the person in the blue top appearing to be frantically waving their arms while standing seemingly much higher than anyone else?    [Like they are up on a ladder]


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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2019, 04:18:21 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2019, 04:32:55 PM »
Here is Mr Lovelady in the Wiegman film:


Here is Mr Stancak's reconstruction of the doorway at 12.30pm:



I have marked Mr Carl Edward Jones' position in GREEN.

For the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's right side to be a natural shadow cast by the west wall/column, Mr Lovelady would have to in the position marked ORANGE.

A complete non-starter!

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2019, 08:27:21 PM »
"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right!"

IOW....:

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Or....?

If you don't like the circus..... Please notice the EXIT sign that is prominently posted......

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2019, 08:27:21 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2019, 12:15:06 AM »
Hands up who believes that Mr Lovelady in this Wiegman film frame-----------------

---------------------is standing in the orange zone of the doorway (as marked here on Mr Stancak's excellent reconstruction of the doorway's shadow line at 12.30pm)!-------------


If he is not (which he obviously isn't), then the dark strip down Mr Lovelady's right side cannot be a natural shadow. It's really very simple. No wiggle room for the shadow people!

It seems that somebody or something has been blacked out of Wiegman.................
Perhaps the authorities did not want people to see that Mr Lovelady is actually in short sleeves and not in the red plaid shirt he will soon have put on before going back out onto those those steps?


I honestly don't know the answer, friends, but I do know that this problem is not going away!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2019, 12:58:38 AM »
Friends, the single biggest recent breakthrough in the case has been this from Agent Hosty:



It added a massive boost to the PrayerMan claim....

However, skeptics have pointed to the following exchange as counter-evidence:

"REPORTER: Were you in the building at the time?" (i.e. when the President was shot?)
"OSWALD: Naturally if I work in that building, yes sir."


What if the skeptics are right and Mr Oswald really did mean right inside the building,
------------i.e. not even in the front entranceway?

But! What if he was telling the truth in both of the above claims?
-----------He went outside to watch JFK pass  Thumb1:
-----------He was inside when JFK was shot  Thumb1:

1. HUGHES FILM:



--------Mr Oswald is the red-shirted (long-sleeved) man we see standing just above Mr Carl Edward Jones. He has just slipped out to catch a glimpse of JFK (‘Then went outside to watch P. parade’)

--------Although we can't see them here in the Hughes film, Mr Billy Lovelady (in red plaid shirt, but sleeves rolled up) and Mr Bill Shelley (white short-sleeved shirt) are at this moment right behind Mr Oswald, by the west wall, where Mr Buell Frazier's WC testimony puts them both

...and where Mr Lovelady's March 1964 FBI statement puts him very precisely:



2. WIEGMAN FILM & ALTGENS PHOTO:

--------Mr Oswald, having watched JFK pass, has gone back inside ----- no one but Messrs Shelley and Lovelady (and Frazier?) have noticed him, everyone's attention has been on JFK's car

--------Mr. Lovelady has moved a little east across the top step to keep the President's car in view: his right side is not in shadow in Wiegman but it will be blacked out to hide the fact that his sleeves are rolled up

...but the early wirephoto version of Altgens shows the exposed white skin of his lower left forearm:





'Prayer Person' in the Wiegman film-----------

------------is Mr Shelley in short-sleeves-------------


3. DARNELL FILM:

------------Mr Shelley has left the steps and already run into Ms Gloria Calvery out at the corner of the ‘park’ (as per his 11/22 affidavit)

------------Ms Calvery is now at the steps telling people about what she's just seen down the street

------------Mr Lovelady (red plaid shirt, sleeves rolled up) has moved over to the ‘Prayer Man’ position



Oswald, back inside on the first floor, has meanwhile heard the shots and/or the ‘excitement’ and is making his way back to the front door: he is about to be stopped by Officer Baker in the front lobby (Mr Harry D. Holmes: ‘… in the vestibule… First floor. The front entrance to the first floor’) and asked if he works there (so he can show Officer Baker the way to the stairs)

The Long And The Short Of It:
Could Mr Lovelady possibly be Prayer Man in Darnell? If so, then he would not be the red-shirted man seen in Hughes as JFK is passing. That would be Mr Oswald.


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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2019, 12:58:38 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2019, 11:04:14 PM »
Kindly note!

'Prayer Man' in the Wiegman Film appears to be one step lower than 'Prayer Man' in the Darnell Film.........



I'm no longer sure we can assume they are one and the same person!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2019, 11:36:09 PM »
Now!

Look at the extremely close respective positions of Mr Lovelady in Wiegman and the lady in white in Darnell.



Can you see a 'shadow' down the lady in white due to the western column? Nope!

Yet we do see a 'shadow' down the right side of Mr Lovelady.

Did the sun dart east between the two films??  :D

Ain't no shadow, folks! So what is it, and why is it there?

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2019, 11:36:09 PM »


Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2019, 03:06:13 PM »
Now!

Look at the extremely close respective positions of Mr Lovelady in Wiegman and the lady in white in Darnell.



Can you see a 'shadow' down the lady in white due to the western column? Nope!

Yet we do see a 'shadow' down the right side of Mr Lovelady.

Did the sun dart east between the two films??  :D

Ain't no shadow, folks! So what is it, and why is it there?

Alan, in one of your combined frames, The one in which is highest all the frames,  it appears that she is standing just in from of where Lovelady is standing, which may cause the shadow to be falling pst behind her.