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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #540 on: November 14, 2019, 07:33:44 AM »
So anyone who questions Alan Fords theory of the day, is one of the above?

Anyone who tries to explain away the magic 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady in the ridiculous way you have done, Mr Mason, certainly is!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #541 on: November 14, 2019, 01:10:43 PM »
Thank you very much for this, Mr Davidson! (How do you always seem to have such excellent versions of footage? It's wonderful!)  Thumb1:

Now!

What we're seeing here, in greater clarity than in the version of the Wiegman frames I have been posting, is that

------------------Mr Lovelady is stationary
------------------Mr Oswald (just behind him) is moving, one assumes because he is trying to get a better look at what's going on out on the street.


The Altgens photograph is taken at or around one of the points seen above (early frames!) where Mr Oswald's head is just to the left (=our right, i.e. east!) of Mr Lovelady's head. And Altgens shows a portion of Mr Oswald's head/face:



Furthermore!

There is a lot of white t-shirt in the Oswald/Lovelady ensemble in Wiegman. Look closely and you will see that Mr Oswald appears to be wearing only his white t-shirt (no shirt!).

Had a dark vertical strip not been added to Mr Lovelady's right side, Mr Oswald's white t-shirt (and exposed right arm, and----who knows?-----maybe even a soda bottle in the right hand) would be all too evident even to a casual viewer. Which of course is why a dark vertical strip was added to Mr Lovelady's right side!

This latter observation------------Mr Oswald in a white tshirt only------------suggests that Mr Oswald is not Prayer Man in the Darnell film after all.

Which in turn means that it's perfectly possible that only one person noticed Mr Oswald in the few moments he spent out front for the motorcade:

Mr Frazier.

Like I say, what a heavy burden to have to carry. No wonder Captain Fritz hung the threat of a charge of conspiracy to murder JFK over him!


Looks like the aerial of the passing car is also causing interference with that 'flat-edged black shadow'...

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« Reply #542 on: November 14, 2019, 02:35:12 PM »
Anyone who tries to explain away the magic 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady in the ridiculous way you have done, Mr Mason, certainly is!  Thumb1:

I don't see any credible researchers taking you seriously on that shadow business...

It's obviously just the shadow from the column on the west wall edge...

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« Reply #543 on: November 14, 2019, 03:27:36 PM »
It also opens inward...

People stand with their backs toward doors all the time...

You're dodging answering the point about the shadows being similar on the cops and Frazier...

    There are pics of that TSBD door being OPEN Outward, and Frazier is very familiar with the TSBD. He's Not going to be standing with his Back facing a door that Opens toward him and only be 1.5 feet from that door. That door is probably roughly 2 Feet Wide to begin with = someone could Not even open it without nailing Frazier with it to begin with. Why Not stop dragging yourself any further downward with your silly positioning of Frazier?

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« Reply #544 on: November 14, 2019, 03:44:21 PM »
    There are pics of that TSBD door being OPEN Outward, and Frazier is very familiar with the TSBD. He's Not going to be standing with his Back facing a door that Opens toward him and only be 1.5 feet from that door. That door is probably roughly 2 Feet Wide to begin with = someone could Not even open it without nailing Frazier with it to begin with. Why Not stop dragging yourself any further downward with your silly positioning of Frazier?

You're not answering the point...If someone needed to come out when Frazier was there they could simply pull it inward...You're not only failing to carry your point but you're ignoring mine...

The way the door opens has nothing to do with the main point...That is, the lintel corner shadows you see on the cops' backs that Davidson posted show that Frazier is 1.5 feet from the glass partition...You're failing to answer the point that the shadow shown by Davidson on the cops' backs is identical to the one on Frazier's shoulder and chest and it shows he is about 1.5 feet from the door, no matter what way the door opens...You are failing to answer the pertinent logic and answering it with a regressive irrelevancy...

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« Reply #545 on: November 14, 2019, 04:04:44 PM »
You're not answering the point...If someone needed to come out when Frazier was there they could simply pull it inward...You're not only failing to carry your point but you're ignoring mine...

The way the door opens has nothing to do with the main point...That is, the lintel corner shadows you see on the cops' backs that Davidson posted show that Frazier is 1.5 feet from the glass partition...You're failing to answer the point that the shadow shown by Davidson on the cops' backs is identical to the one on Frazier's shoulder and chest and it shows he is about 1.5 feet from the door, no matter what way the door opens...You are failing to answer the pertinent logic and answering it with a regressive irrelevancy...

    Wake up. This has Nothing to do with what someone Else might do. It has Everything to do with where Frazier would decide to stand KNOWING that door opened in his direction. No Way he would elect to stand 1.5 feet away from a 2 foot wide door that Opens Toward his Back.  Frazier NOT being within 1.5 feet of that door completely destroys your entire Shadow Hokum right out of the box.

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« Reply #546 on: November 14, 2019, 04:10:04 PM »
    Wake up. This has Nothing to do with what someone Else might do. It has Everything to do with where Frazier would decide to stand KNOWING that door opened in his direction. No Way he would elect to stand 1.5 feet away from a 2 foot wide door that Opens Toward his Back.  Frazier NOT being within 1.5 feet of that door completely destroys your entire Shadow Hokum right out of the box.

That's not how evidence works...

The superior and determinative evidence are the shadows on the cops' backs...They don't go away because you start arguing the specious point about which way the door swings...

If you look closely at those shadows and match them to the shadow on Frazier in Darnell it shows Frazier is about 1.5 feet from the glass door...

You haven't answer this...

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« Reply #546 on: November 14, 2019, 04:10:04 PM »

Offline Larry Trotter

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« Reply #547 on: November 14, 2019, 04:13:47 PM »


A very good illustration showing the DPD UniformedOfficer/Image with the white helmet stepping out of the landing's west side vertical shadow.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 04:18:39 PM by Larry Trotter »

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« Reply #548 on: November 14, 2019, 04:17:27 PM »
A very good illustration showing the DPD UniformedOfficer with the white helmet stepping out of the landing's west side vertical shadow.

Good point Larry...

The object on the cop's belt becomes illuminated by sunlight where the vertical shadow is...

Despite Alan Ford's misleading entries, this shows where the shadow was on Lovelady...

The door is 4 feet wide by the way...
« Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 04:18:23 PM by Brian Doyle »

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« Reply #549 on: November 14, 2019, 04:19:34 PM »
That's not how evidence works...

The superior and determinative evidence are the shadows on the cops' backs...They don't go away because you start arguing the specious point about which way the door swings...

If you look closely at those shadows and match them to the shadow on Frazier in Darnell it shows Frazier is about 1.5 feet from the glass door...

You haven't answer this...

   If your "shadows" show Frazier to be Only 1.5 feet from the door, and THAT is Wrong, then everything Else these same "Shadows" are alleging showing is likewise called into question. Very simple

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« Reply #549 on: November 14, 2019, 04:19:34 PM »

 

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