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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #1160 on: May 31, 2020, 06:07:40 PM »
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Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady? You really are dumb as a rock, Mr Chapman!

Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady?
> That wouldn't just happen to be because there are NO facial features visible in that photo that would positively identify her as Gloria Calvery, now would it?
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #1161 on: May 31, 2020, 07:28:55 PM »
Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady?
> That wouldn't just happen to be because there are NO facial features visible in that photo that would positively identify her as Gloria Calvery, now would it?

As a rock!  :D

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #1162 on: May 31, 2020, 07:49:46 PM »
CONCLUSION:
Neither Mr Lovelady nor Mr Shelley went far from those steps in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. Why did they lie after their initial truthful same-day statements? Why did they invent an excursion to the railroad yard? Because Mr Oswald didn't go far from those steps either!

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Which reminds us of the fact--------------noted at the very start of this thread!----------------that in Mr Shelley's first on-the-record statement about Mr Oswald (11/22) and in Mr Lovelady's first on-the-record statement about Mr Oswald (11/22), there is a weird avoidance of the very question that would have needed answering before all others: Did you see Mr Oswald at the actual time the shooting happened?---------------




These documents are masterpieces of evasion! Neither Mr Shelley nor Mr Lovelady has yet been brought to the point where they will agree to state in clear English something they know to be an out and out lie-----------------that Mr Oswald was nowhere to be seen when Pres. Kennedy passed.

And pretty soon Captain Fritz will be threatening Mr Frazier--------another witness to Mr Oswald's presence on those front steps--------with a) violence, b) a charge of conspiracy in the assassination of Pres. Kennedy. Go figure!

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Offline Nicholas Turner

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« Reply #1163 on: May 31, 2020, 08:10:58 PM »
Dark top + lighter scarf + much lighter skirt + sleeveless. Body shape also!

He said she came running up to the steps and they had an exchange---------

Mr. BALL - When Gloria came up and said the President had been shot, Gloria Calvary, what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her.


What we see in Darnell matches that description (with the exception of one thing: Mr Shelley was not there!). Why would we expect Mr Lovelady to describe Ms Calvery's further actions? They were irrelevant to his testimony.

She may simply be misremembering. Have any other credible candidates for Ms. Westbrook & Ms. Calvery from farther down the street been found?

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In the Sixth Floor Museum's oral history interview she seemed pretty certain.

Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #1164 on: May 31, 2020, 08:11:03 PM »
There is no “small sound-dampening enclosure over the 2nd floor lunch room door opening”. Nor have you ever shown these blueprints that say “vestibule”.

Iacoletti,

Why would the word "vestibule" have to be on the plans in order for somebody with a superior vocabulary to call it that?

How would you describe that strange little area in fifty-words-or-less?

"Alcove"?

"Niche"?

"Galoshes-Storing-Area"?

[fill in the blank]

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Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #1165 on: May 31, 2020, 08:23:46 PM »
Try ante room.

Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #1166 on: May 31, 2020, 08:26:44 PM »
In the Sixth Floor Museum's oral history interview she [Karen Westbrook] seemed pretty certain [that she was the blue-headscarf-wearing gal by the Stemmons sign in Zapruder].

Yes, except she was less certain about the identity of the black-haired gal (self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob, whose dark complexion can be discerned in Z-60, etc) standing two people to the left of her, wasn't she?
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z060.jpg

It's a pitty that Gloria Holt had strawberry-blond hair that shone so reddish (in that late November light?) in Zapruder, and that the gal next to the sign (Sharon Simmons) was wearing a medium-blue headscarf, just a little bit darker than Westbrook's own light-blue one.

And her and her three colleagues statements to the FBI suggest that they walked to their motorcade-viewing site together, and that they watched the motorcade together, so ... hmm ... where's uhh ... probably Karan Hicks ... or definitely Carol Reed, in that case?

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Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #1167 on: May 31, 2020, 08:35:47 PM »
Try ante room.

Well, Mitch, although I scored in the 98th percentile in "Verbal Intelligence" in one of my college board exams (the SAT -- do you have that sort of thing in Merry Old England, old chap?) back in 1966, I hadn't thought of that one, and probably never would have without your mentioning it.

Wot?

Good one Old Boy!

Carry on!

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