Those Front Steps

[John Iacoletti]

I also think her attire is impressively consistent with this woman's in the Zapruder film,

What exactly do you find so “impressively consistent”? And when did Lovelady say that Calvery climbed the steps and talked to him face-to-face?

Karen Westbrook said that she and Calvery were farther down the street than your Zapruder person.

[Bill Chapman]

I think that might be overstating the case, Mr Iacoletti, though I'm open to persuasion!

I guess a lot hangs on the I.D. of Mr Lovelady in Darnell. It looks an awful lot like him IMO (though the checked look of the shirt in this frame is an image artefact!)-------------

---> cf. WIEGMAN:

If that is indeed him, then

a) it's nice to see him without an absurd fake shadow down his right side like in Wiegman!

b) it greatly increases the likelihood that the woman facing him is Ms Calvery. It's hardly fanciful to assume that this woman is talking with him-------------and, given that this is so soon (~25-30 secs?) after the last shot, one has to ask how many women would have come to the steps and spoken to him before Ms Calvery did? He does single her out in his (admittedly lie-strewn!) testimony.

I also think her attire is impressively consistent with this woman's in the Zapruder film, and the woman in white beside her at the steps looks like a strong match for the woman next-but-one to her in Zapruder:



'Ms Calvery' in Zapruder is in short sleeves------------



------------as is 'Ms Calvery' in Darnell (her left hand is on the column).

I don't think it's a coincidence that the woman in Zapruder when seen from the front (in Betzner)-----------



-----------offers easily the closest match facially yet found in that part of Dealey Plaza to known images of Ms Calvery------------



 

Point out, in detail, where the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady prove your contention

[Alan Ford]

What exactly do you find so “impressively consistent”?

Dark top + lighter scarf + much lighter skirt + sleeveless. Body shape also!

And when did Lovelady say that Calvery climbed the steps and talked to him face-to-face?

He said she came running up to the steps and they had an exchange---------

Mr. BALL - When Gloria came up and said the President had been shot, Gloria Calvary, what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her.

What we see in Darnell matches that description (with the exception of one thing: Mr Shelley was not there!). Why would we expect Mr Lovelady to describe Ms Calvery's further actions? They were irrelevant to his testimony.

Karen Westbrook said that she and Calvery were farther down the street than your Zapruder person.

She may simply be misremembering. Have any other credible candidates for Ms. Westbrook & Ms. Calvery from farther down the street been found?

 

[Alan Ford]

Point out, in detail, where the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady prove your contention

 

Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady? You really are dumb as a rock, Mr Chapman!

[Bill Chapman]

Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady? You really are dumb as a rock, Mr Chapman!

Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady?
> That wouldn't just happen to be because there are NO facial features visible in that photo that would positively identify her as Gloria Calvery, now would it?

[Alan Ford]

Where did I say anything about the facial features of Orange Arrow Lady?
> That wouldn't just happen to be because there are NO facial features visible in that photo that would positively identify her as Gloria Calvery, now would it?

As a rock! 

[Alan Ford]

CONCLUSION:
Neither Mr Lovelady nor Mr Shelley went far from those steps in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. Why did they lie after their initial truthful same-day statements? Why did they invent an excursion to the railroad yard? Because Mr Oswald didn't go far from those steps either!

 

Which reminds us of the fact--------------noted at the very start of this thread!----------------that in Mr Shelley's first on-the-record statement about Mr Oswald (11/22) and in Mr Lovelady's first on-the-record statement about Mr Oswald (11/22), there is a weird avoidance of the very question that would have needed answering before all others: Did you see Mr Oswald at the actual time the shooting happened?---------------




These documents are masterpieces of evasion! Neither Mr Shelley nor Mr Lovelady has yet been brought to the point where they will agree to state in clear English something they know to be an out and out lie-----------------that Mr Oswald was nowhere to be seen when Pres. Kennedy passed.

And pretty soon Captain Fritz will be threatening Mr Frazier--------another witness to Mr Oswald's presence on those front steps--------with a) violence, b) a charge of conspiracy in the assassination of Pres. Kennedy. Go figure!