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Author Topic: Here's Some 1993 Propaganda Against JJA, Bagley, Golitsyn, and Epstein  (Read 346 times)

Online Thomas Graves

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There are some bits and pieces of good information in it, though.

Of Moles and Mole Hunters by KGB apologist Cleveland C. Cram

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/95unclass/Cram.html

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Re: Here's Some 1993 Propaganda Against JJA, Bagley, Golitsyn, and Epstein
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2019, 10:27:12 AM »
Cram's synopsis of Epstein's Legend is accurate, imho.

To my knowledge, any information Epstein may have gotten about Oswald from the CIA would have been gotten from Angleton, not Bagley or Miler.

Fwiw, I'm coming to believe that false-defector Nosenko told CIA and FBI what they really, really, really wanted to hear (that Oswald hadn't been recruited by the KGB) as an "icebreaker" which, whether true or not, would lead to his being accepted as a true-defector that much quicker, and which would make his "debunking" of true-defector Golitsyn that much easier.

Unfortunately, it worked.

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Re: Here's Some 1993 Propaganda Against JJA, Bagley, Golitsyn, and Epstein
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2019, 11:58:44 PM »
Cram's synopsis of Epstein's Legend is accurate, imho.

To my knowledge, any information Epstein may have gotten about Oswald from the CIA would have been gotten from Angleton, not Bagley or Miler.

Fwiw, I'm coming to believe that false-defector Nosenko told CIA and FBI what they really, really, really wanted to hear (that Oswald hadn't been recruited by the KGB) as an "icebreaker" which, whether true or not, would lead to his being accepted as a true-defector that much quicker, and which would make his "debunking" of true-defector Golitsyn that much easier.

Unfortunately, it worked.

-- MWT  ;)

Interesting

I donít think Helms was very impressed. And Olson felt the need to spike Bagelyís career, with this:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32359254.pdf


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13 October 1970

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

Subject: BAGELY, Tennant, Harrington

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1) On Wednesday, 7 October 1970 I briefed Colonel L. K. White, Executive  Director-Controller on certain reservations I have concerning the proposed promotion of subject to a supergrade position.

 2)  I was very careful to explain to Colonel White at the outset that my reservations had nothing whatsoever to do with Bagely's security status. I explained that it was my conviction that Bagely was almost exclusively responsible for the manner in which the Nosenko case had been handled by our SR division. I said I considered that Bagely lacked objectivity and that he had displayed extremely poor judgment over a two year period in the handling of this case. Specifically as one example of Bagely's extreme prejudice I pointed out that the SR division had neglected to follow up several leads provided by Nosenko which subsequently had been followed up by this office (Bruce Solie) and that this lead us to individuals who have confessed their recruitment and use by the Soviets over an extensive period of time.

3)  I explained further that Bagely displayed extremely poor judgment in the actions he took during that time that  Nosenko was incarcerated at ISOLATION. On many occasions, as the individual responsible for Nosenko's care, I refuse to condone Bagely's  instructions to my people who are guarding him. In one instance Bagely insisted that  Nosenko's food ration be reduced to black bread and water three times daily. After I had briefed Colonel White, he indicated that he would refresh the Director's memory on Bagely's role in the Nosenko case at the time he reviews supergrade promotions. 

 

Howard J. Osborn

Director of Security
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