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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #290 on: September 21, 2019, 03:12:53 AM »
Where/when did he say that? Certainly not in his WC session.

Plus, there's a need for some more time to pass in order for BRW to join J&N on the 5th floor.....just as James Jarman told the WC here (which is a further indication that Jarman's "12:25 to 12:28" estimate for when they got on the elevator to go up to the fifth floor was not entirely accurate):

Mr. BALL - Did somebody join you then?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir; a few minutes later.
Mr. BALL - Who joined you?
Mr. JARMAN - Bonnie Ray Williams.

Here is what Jarman said....

Mr. JARMAN - This way.
Representative FORD - You went by the front to the corner of Houston and Elm, and then down Houston towards the loading dock?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Representative FORD - And where did you get on the elevator?
Mr. JARMAN - We walked around to the back entrance and went through this door here, and this elevator here was up on six, I believe. And we walked around the elevator and took the west elevator up.
Representative FORD - How could you tell this elevator was at six?
Mr. JARMAN - Because after we got around to the other side we looked up.
Representative FORD - You could see it was on six?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Representative FORD - This was about what time?
Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Representative FORD - As you rode the elevator, you noticed the other one was on the sixth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Right, sir.

 Note that when he arrived at the east elevator closest to the back door it was not visible from that position. It was confirmed it was on the sixth floor after they arrived at the west elevator and looked up. He estimates the time was 12.25-12.28, just minutes before the shots. After reaching the SE corner they opened the windows, at that time Williams could have been aware of their presence. Whether that was the reason for him vacating the SN or something else happened after they were there is an interesting question. What would make Williams leave his chicken unfinished and exit the SN to join them just before the motorcade arrived?

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #291 on: September 21, 2019, 05:02:24 AM »
A challenge to the LN team....

Assemble here all the evidence you can find that places Jarman and Norman's arrival on the 5th floor prior to Rowland's observation of a 6th floor gunman.

Go for it.....don’t let David dangling.

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #292 on: September 21, 2019, 05:32:06 AM »
Already did, Bill. Try reading previous posts before chiming in.

Yes, Bill.

Helpful Iacoletti suggests that you go back and re-read the first 24 pages until you find it.

If it's there, that is.

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #293 on: September 21, 2019, 05:46:10 AM »
Helpful Iacoletti suggests that you go back and re-read the first 24 pages until you find it.

Hilarious coming from the guy whose evidence for everything is “go read the EF”.

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #294 on: September 21, 2019, 05:52:53 AM »
His T-shirt wasn't "dark". And there are witnesses who said Oswald often worked in only his T-shirt.

Oswald (IMO) probably shot JFK while wearing just his white T-shirt. His brown "arrest" shirt was likely lying at his feet in the Sniper's Nest (or on a box nearby). Oswald then used the brown shirt as a fingerprint-wiping rag as he raced to the northwest corner of the TSBD after the final shot. He then put the brown shirt on as he was quickly descending the stairs to the 2nd floor---leaving the shirt unbuttoned (see Marrion Baker's testimony; with Baker mistaking the shirt for a jacket).

David,

I like that scenario.

The dark shirt would have served two purposes: wipe-down rag, and a partial disguise in case someone had seen him while wearing the white T-shirt and shooting.

Bravo!

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #295 on: September 21, 2019, 06:01:37 AM »
Already did, Bill. Try reading previous posts before chiming in.

You talk the talk... now show us these 'multiple witnesses'
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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #296 on: September 21, 2019, 06:01:43 AM »
Hilarious coming from the guy whose evidence for everything is “go read the EF”.

Iacoletti,

Iirc, I would always tell interested guests and members the name of the thread there, and sometimes even the page number.

The first time I tried to import a thread here from the EF, I found I couldn't do it, probably due to hard feelings towards the EF on Duncan's part, which is totally understandable.

Has Duncan's anti-EF policy changed since then?  If so, I'll try to make it a lot easier for you in the future, okay?

-- MWT  ;)

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« Reply #296 on: September 21, 2019, 06:01:43 AM »

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #297 on: September 21, 2019, 07:15:25 AM »
His T-shirt wasn't "dark". And there are witnesses who said Oswald often worked in only his T-shirt.

Oswald (IMO) probably shot JFK while wearing just his white T-shirt. His brown "arrest" shirt was likely lying at his feet in the Sniper's Nest (or on a box nearby). Oswald then used the brown shirt as a fingerprint-wiping rag as he raced to the northwest corner of the TSBD after the final shot. He then put the brown shirt on as he was quickly descending the stairs to the 2nd floor---leaving the shirt unbuttoned (see Marrion Baker's testimony; with Baker mistaking the shirt for a jacket).

And then as he left the lunchroom to go downstairs to leave the building he took off his shirt and hid it from Mrs Reid to....ummmm?

Was he overheated....thus bought a coke after the Baker confrontation? No need to hurry out now. Did he put it back on before exiting? Lucky Brennan, Ewins (and a hundred others for all he knew) weren't waiting for the shooter in the white shirt to try and escape the building. He probably put it back on again.....do you think....just in case?

Bravo indeed Tommy.....LOL

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« Reply #297 on: September 21, 2019, 07:15:25 AM »

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #298 on: September 21, 2019, 07:33:29 AM »
And then as he left the lunchroom to go downstairs to leave the building he took off his shirt and hid it from Mrs Reid to....ummmm?

Was he overheated....thus bought a coke after the Baker confrontation? No need to hurry out now. Did he put it back on before exiting? Lucky Brennan, Ewins (and a hundred others for all he knew) weren't waiting for the shooter in the white shirt to try and escape the building. He probably put it back on again.....do you think....just in case?

Bravo indeed Tommy.....LOL

Colin,

Let's speculate about it, shall we, as CTers are wont to do?

He may not have gotten it buttoned yet when Reid allegedly saw him, and therefore the white T-shirt kinda stuck out "like a sore thumb" to her, and that's what she remembered.

Over to you, Mr. Attitude.

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #299 on: September 21, 2019, 07:52:49 AM »
Colin,

Let's speculate about it, shall we, as CTers a wont to do?

He may not have gotten it buttoned yet when Reid allegedly saw him, and therefore the white T-shirt kinda stuck out "like a sore thumb" to her, and that's what she remembered.

Over to you, Mr. Attitude.

-- MWT  ;)

No more speculation on David's from me Sir Cumference, rather deal with what the evidence tells us....waiting for the indicators that support Jarman and Norman arriving before Rowland’s gunman in the window observation.
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« Reply #299 on: September 21, 2019, 07:52:49 AM »

 

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