Jarman said they arrived on the fifth floor at 12:28...

Jarman actually said this....

Mr. JARMAN - We walked around to the back entrance and went through this door here, and this elevator here was up on six, I believe. And we walked around the elevator and took the west elevator up.

Representative FORD - How could you tell this elevator was at six?

Mr. JARMAN - Because after we got around to the other side we looked up.

Representative FORD - You could see it was on six?

Mr. JARMAN - Yes.

Representative FORD - This was about what time?

Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.

But in his

**12/4/63 affidavit**, Harold Norman said he and Jarman went to the 5th floor at

**"about 12:15 P.M."**.

Cakebread naturally totally ignores Norman's "12:15 PM" estimate and will rely only on James Jarman's timeline (which Cakebread has also skewed slightly, as he totally ignores the "12:25" time estimate Jarman gave the WC). And in actuality, the "12:25 or 12:28" estimate provided by Jarman was not for the time when Jarman GOT UP TO the fifth floor (as Cakebread has suggested), but Jarman's 12:25-12:28 time was a time when Jarman and Norman were just

*getting on* the elevator to go up to the 5th floor. So, given that fact, we can be pretty certain that Jarman's estimate of the time being as late as "12:28" is very likely not accurate. It was a bit earlier than that, otherwise J&N would probably have not gotten up there by exactly 12:30.