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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2019, 08:08:55 PM »
In that EF thread, Lance is doing the same thing I've been doing on JFK forums for the last 15 years----he's pointing out the (very) flawed thinking of the Anybody But Oswald conspiracy theorists.

Not nearly as flawed as thinking that “why would a conspiracy do that?” is a good argument for Oswald’s guilt.

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Offline David Von Pein

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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2019, 08:17:16 PM »
Not nearly as flawed as thinking that “why would a conspiracy do that?” is a good argument for Oswald’s guilt.

Oh that's right. I forgot about that rule. LNers aren't permitted to ask such "Why would the plotters do that?" type of questions. We're supposed to just sit back and accept the crazy thinking of the David Liftons and Jim Garrisons and Oliver Stones of the world when they tell us that JFK's killers had a DESIRE to shoot at the President from the FRONT, even though their Designated Patsy was in the REAR.

And I'm not supposed to ask "Why would a conspiracy do that?", am I John?

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2019, 08:18:27 PM »
* EDIT/FWIW -- Shortly after I posted the above comments, I looked up Bud's original 2011 Internet message regarding this topic of Oswald's rifle bullets. Here is that message:

"He [Oswald] doesn't need to see them [Jarman & Norman] on the first [floor], he only needs to have seen them outside, and heard them come in down below him. And it doesn't matter if he did see them on the first floor, I've always felt it was possible for a smart guy like Oswald to keep the bullets apart from the rifle, to allow for deniability if the rifle was discovered. If he left the bullets in his jacket pocket in the Domino room and went down to retrieve them, he might have seen them (although you [Donald Willis] are nowhere near establishing that he did with the weak out-of-context nonsense you are trying to use for support). You see, it doesn't matter if Oswald was on the first floor then, it doesn't afford him an alibi, nobody was killed then. It doesn't matter when the motorcade was due to arrive, if circumstances prevented Oswald from getting to where he hid the rifle, or he had trouble assembling it, these things would dictate more than the clock." -- Bud; July 1, 2011

I recall a guy, part of the WC in some way IIRC, saying something to the effect that Oswald may have been of two minds as to making an attempt on Kennedy at all, right down to the last few minutes.


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Offline David Von Pein

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »
I recall a guy, part of the WC in some way IIRC, saying something to the effect that Oswald may have been of two minds as to making an attempt on Kennedy at all, right down to the last few minutes.

Sounds like you might be talking about me. (Although I was never part of the WC.) But I made my opinion known about elements of the "Two Minds" theory years ago....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/01/lee-harvey-oswalds-decision-to-shoot-jfk.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/oswald-timeline-part-1.html#The-Mindset-Of-Oswald

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2019, 08:40:02 PM »
And I'm not supposed to ask "Why would a conspiracy do that?", am I John?

Sure you are, if somebody actually proposes such a conspiracy instead of you just strawmanning one to argue against.

But either way, arguing against a particular conspiracy doesn’t get you any closer to showing that Oswald did it.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2019, 08:42:06 PM »
I'm not saying that I think that Oswald was in the Domino Room with Jarman and Norman just a few minutes before the assassination. I don't believe he was. But I am saying that the so-called "Domino Room Alibi", which many conspiracy theorists think is some sort of rock-solid proof of Lee Harvey Oswald's innocence, is really nothing of the kind—even if Oswald had been located in that Domino Room a few minutes before 12:30 PM on November 22, 1963.

I agree though, David. Oswald has no solid alibi for 12:30.

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2019, 08:53:55 PM »
Sure you are, if somebody actually proposes such a conspiracy instead of you just strawmanning one to argue against.

And you don't think a single CTer has ever proposed a theory that has JFK being shot from the front, even though the designated patsy is located to the rear of JFK's car?

Maybe you'd better get out your DVD (or VHS) of Oliver Stone's film again. It would seem as though you've totally forgotten the "shooting" plot of that movie.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1ZW3QU49S1AM1
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2019, 09:04:58 PM »
Not nearly as flawed as thinking that “why would a conspiracy do that?” is a good argument for Oswald’s guilt.

Is that as 'flawed' as you lot never posting the butt-end view of CE399? Is that as 'flawed' as starting Zap a few frames late (as per Martin Hinrichs) in arguments re the twofer? Is that as 'flawed' as you attempting to try the case in bits & pieces (while at the same time holding each separate piece to a beyond-reasonable-doubt standard) like some Better Call Saul-style greaseball?
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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2019, 09:50:09 PM »
Sounds like you might be talking about me. (Although I was never part of the WC.) But I made my opinion known about elements of the "Two Minds" theory years ago....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/01/lee-harvey-oswalds-decision-to-shoot-jfk.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/oswald-timeline-part-1.html#The-Mindset-Of-Oswald


I've not seen that and I'm certain it was someone officially connected to the WC
Maybe a name will stand out if I can find a list of WC employees

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The "Domino Room Alibi"
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2019, 09:56:27 PM »
And you don't think a single CTer has ever proposed a theory that has JFK being shot from the front, even though the designated patsy is located to the rear of JFK's car?

How did Lance Payette’s argument about the domino room alibi morph into where the shot that killed JFK originated from?

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