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Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2019, 03:32:00 AM »
Tha shadows look longer than what they would have been at 1:30, more consistent with later in the afternoon.  Aerial photos might help some with that question, also see James Hackelrod's thread, "Peristyle Time Clock".

Robert, please do post the written claims of someone that he is the Dark Complected Man...sounds very interesting.

Nice thread,
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I'll post this summary animated collage tonight, but will discuss it tomorrow.
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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2019, 03:32:00 AM »

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2019, 10:54:28 AM »


It's this pic @ Royell? one of the Mentesana frames

Apart from the obvious jacket colour difference (obviously could be altered), the beret this guy is wearing isn't as puffy as DCM's cap. DCM's hat is odd. I will post more about it.



I think the Mentesana film captures the first tramps to be arrested. Gus Abrams, Harold Doyle, and John Gedney. Doyle in his interview stated they were arrested right after the assassination. And walked through the crowd. Which you can see in the film. But the notorious three tramps were walked through an almost empty plaza that was roped off to the public. The clip is a little bit compressed, but it's police officers walking some men through the plaza.





@ Sim Heninger, I will post the interview, plus a lot of information in it and thing's that I've discovered about the details which appear to be correct, like DCM being in and around TSDB after the assassination. It's a lot of sorting into chunks. I will post, though.
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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2019, 12:03:35 PM »
If you look closely, you'll see a DCM lookalike in this Video.
I raised this issue many years ago, and it turned out not to be DCM, different Jacket and appears younger.
The guy in Robert's opening post is  almost certainly the same younger guy who can be seen in this Video watching Howard Brennan being escorted into a car.

DCM had almost certainly left Dealey Plaza by the time of the events in the above Video.


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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2019, 02:02:49 PM »
If you look closely, you'll see a DCM lookalike in this Video.
I raised this issue many years ago, and it turned out not to be DCM, different Jacket and appears younger.
The guy in Robert's opening post is  almost certainly the same younger guy who can be seen in this Video watching Howard Brennan being escorted into a car.


DCM had almost certainly left Dealey Plaza by the time of the events in the above Video.



I presume you mean the guy in the middle? looks like he is wearing a dark shirt or under-jacket



Duncan, do you know who it was that first spotted DCM in WFAA-TV footage of DCM walking across the grass? I thought Gerda Dunckel? and any idea the time frame he was discovered ... Dunckel's youtube clip was dated around 2011.

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2019, 03:53:44 PM »


It's this pic @ Royell? one of the Mentesana frames

Apart from the obvious jacket colour difference (obviously could be altered), the beret this guy is wearing isn't as puffy as DCM's cap. DCM's hat is odd. I will post more about it.



I think the Mentesana film captures the first tramps to be arrested. Gus Abrams, Harold Doyle, and John Gedney. Doyle in his interview stated they were arrested right after the assassination. And walked through the crowd. Which you can see in the film. But the notorious three tramps were walked through an almost empty plaza that was roped off to the public. The clip is a little bit compressed, but it's police officers walking some men through the plaza.





@ Sim Heninger, I will post the interview, plus a lot of information in it and thing's that I've discovered about the details which appear to be correct, like DCM being in and around TSDB after the assassination. It's a lot of sorting into chunks. I will post, though.

    Thanks for posting that Mantesana still frame. Like Sim, I remember the photo image being B/W and shot from Higher up. I could be wrong, but as my detractors have come to discover, Not Likely. That said, this gaggle would be the same group of men I previously referenced. 
    With regard to the postulation that the guy walking across the grass section between Elm & Main is DCM might be true. What does Not hold water is then going on to say that this same individual then Exited Dealey Plaza. Nobody KNOWS where this individual went from that point forward. Staying with that same image, I have always felt that the stocky guy walking across Elm St is Apron Man. He was originally positioned on Elm's South Curb in close proximity to Willis's daughter when she came to a stop. I bring this up as validation that people moved all around Dealey Plaza in the aftermath of the shooting. This would even include main players Moorman, Hill, Sitzman, Euins, etc.

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2019, 09:17:18 PM »
Thanks for the plug, but its Hackerott. ;)

Many sorrows for my messing up your name, James.  The quoting system on the forum was messing with my human brain, I think I took it out on an innocent bystander.

The shadows graphic is phenomenal...right down to the manhole.  Anxious to get your own thoughts on it.

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2019, 03:08:30 AM »
Absolutely no problem Sim.

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2019, 03:25:57 AM »
Here are shadow studies for two of the Tramps photos. I get similar results of 2:15-2:25 pm for the timing. It would be great, and appreciated, if anyone interested and in Dealey Plaza on a sunny day close to November 22 would take photos of the pergola at intervals around 2:00-2:20 for comparison with the simulations. My attempts to use the Houston street street light shadow are not working well. Partially, I think there is some leaning of that tall pole that so far I've not modeled correctly.
 
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In the upper left corner we see most of the north pergola. We are concerned with the forward vertical column just to the right of the Thornton sign and the next column to the right (east). The western column is totally in shadow, while the eastern column's face is fully sunlit. The closeup animation below runs from 1-3pm. There is a narrow range of 2:15-2:25pm that is consistent with the tramp photo.


(having a problem getting a photo loaded - will try tomorrow)
At left center the north reflection pool's north wall shows a number of  cutouts. We see the shadow line running diagonally almost, but not quite, touching the cutout's bottom. A closeup animation of the cutout shadow runs from 1-3pm.  I've re-positioned the virtual camera somewhat from what I used for the previous collage.This analysis is more subjective than the pergola shadows above, but still is consistent with a 2:15 or little later imo.



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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2019, 04:46:45 AM »
(having a problem getting a photo loaded - will try tomorrow)

The cutouts are visible in the tramps/cops photo posted by Robert on 9/8, if that's the one you're referring to.

This is offthread, but I've always thought the timing of the Charles Bronson film of the ambulance, which shows the so-called Oswald window minutes before the motorcade arrived, could be timed by the shadow of the Records Building on the Dal-Tex.

Wonderful work, James.

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Re: Dark Complected Man outside TSDB?
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2019, 09:45:21 AM »
Could the Dorman film shadow positioning be of any use? it's in the same area of one of the tramps photos


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