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« Reply #1130 on: November 08, 2019, 06:37:36 PM »
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They weren't actually standing in Elm Street proper. But thanks for the pointless diversion!  Thumb1:

Alan,

I didn't say they were standing in Elm Street propper.

You evidently had them standing on the sidewalk, and I corrected you.

Regardless, what's with the attitude, "Mr. Exclamation Marks"?

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« Reply #1131 on: November 08, 2019, 06:38:57 PM »
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She clearly has no idea how high up in the building they were. Sounds like a non-visual 'memory' to me!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #1132 on: November 08, 2019, 07:02:09 PM »

There are two people who are deliberately walking the thread around the most important evidence...

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« Reply #1133 on: November 08, 2019, 07:56:57 PM »
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Graves - seriously. Get a life.

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« Reply #1134 on: November 08, 2019, 08:07:07 PM »
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Bumped for Mr Graves!  Thumb1:


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« Reply #1135 on: November 08, 2019, 09:20:02 PM »
Mrs Reid alternative time line is meeting Oswald as he was almost AT the front door of the 2nd floor office AS she entered at approximately 60 seconds.

That would have Oswald exiting the 2nd floor office by 65 seconds, only in his T shirt, and Oswald decided 1st to return to the lunchroom using outer hallway to retrieve his brown shirt and jacket which he had taken off when he had gone up to the lunchroom at 12:15 and was seen sitting there by Carolyn Arnold. And also possibly seen by Saran Stanton on the 2nd floor landing or going up or down the staircase.

This would have Oswald passing by the VESTIBULE which is NOT The lobby of the front entrance but is IN FACT the VESTIBULE which is clearly the zone between hallway doors, lunch room and 2nd floor office doors. The time would be about 83 seconds post shots, and that coincides rather well with the most probable time Baker would have reached the 2nd floor landing following Truly, since they must not have reached the rear elevators earlier than 70 sec post shots, otherwise B/T would have had LOS to the rear staircase and have seen Adams and Styles coming down it about 60 sec post shots.

After Baker leaves Oswald approx not later than 2 min post shots, Oswald is able to leave with his brown shirt  and jacket on, go, down the rear staircase, and across the 1st floor, and into the front entrance LOBBY, where he runs into Peirce Allman, the reporter, at approx 2 min 30 sec post shots. After a quick motioning by Oswald to direct Allman to a phone, Oswald exits the front door at 2 min 45 sec, just before Officer Barnett arrives to lock the door at about 3 minutes post shots.

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« Reply #1136 on: November 08, 2019, 09:46:29 PM »
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Mrs Reid alternative time line is meeting Oswald as he was almost AT the front door of the 2nd floor office AS she entered at approximately 60 seconds.

That would have Oswald exiting the 2nd floor office by 65 seconds, only in his T shirt, and Oswald decided 1st to return to the lunchroom using outer hallway to retrieve his brown shirt and jacket which he had taken off when he had gone up to the lunchroom at 12:15 and was seen sitting there by Carolyn Arnold. And also possibly seen by Saran Stanton on the 2nd floor landing or going up or down the staircase.

This would have Oswald passing by the VESTIBULE which is NOT The lobby of the front entrance but is IN FACT the VESTIBULE which is clearly the zone between hallway doors, lunch room and 2nd floor office doors. The time would be about 83 seconds post shots, and that coincides rather well with the most probable time Baker would have reached the 2nd floor landing following Truly, since they must not have reached the rear elevators earlier than 70 sec post shots, otherwise B/T would have had LOS to the rear staircase and have seen Adams and Styles coming down it about 60 sec post shots.

After Baker leaves Oswald approx not later than 2 min post shots, Oswald is able to leave with his brown shirt  and jacket on, go, down the rear staircase, and across the 1st floor, and into the front entrance LOBBY, where he runs into Peirce Allman, the reporter, at approx 2 min 30 sec post shots. After a quick motioning by Oswald to direct Allman to a phone, Oswald exits the front door at 2 min 45 sec, just before Officer Barnett arrives to lock the door at about 3 minutes post shots.

I thought she said that just after she'd entered that largish office through its front door and was walking into/through it, she noticed Oswald entering though the other door.

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« Reply #1137 on: November 08, 2019, 10:08:20 PM »
Zeon:   Repeating your account is not going to get you around answering the fact we have two Oswalds witnessed by Craig and Frazier...

Both those Oswalds exited via the rear...
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« Reply #1138 on: November 08, 2019, 10:32:58 PM »
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I thought she said that just after she'd entered that largish office through its front door and was walking into/through it, she noticed Oswald entering though the other door.

--  MWT   ;)

Yes, that is what Mrs Reids FBI statement is and what she repeated in her WC testimony. I have serious doubt about  that and i am suggesting she might have subconsciously concluded that LATER and that the ACTUAL meeting was much more of a surprise to her AND Oswald. Oswald continuing to the front door was because he was already so close to it, as Mrs Reid came in, that it was the logical best direction for him to exit ASAP by going PAST Mrs Reid to the front door.

Oswald entering the rear office door in only a T shirt and carrying an unopened coke and seeing Mrs Reid entering the front door, since Mrs Reid claims to have unobstructed view to rear door, so therefore, Oswald, also would have unobstructed view to Mrs Reid, is an illogical action for Oswald  because:

A. He certainly knows that Mrs Reid is the SUPERVISOR of that office  and since Oswald has not been sent by Mr Truly to the office at this point in time, and since Oswald KNOWS he is not supposed to go into the office ESPECIALLY if no one is there.

B. If A is correct, the Oswald upon seeing Mrs Reid AS he enters rear door, then it would have been MUCH EASIER for Oswald simply to turn around immediately and return to the lunchroom, rather that slowly walk and CONTINUE walking ALL THE WAY ACROSS the floor to MEET Mrs Reid, when he could EASILY have avoided such meeting. WHY would Oswald wish to risk meeting Mrs Reid, when he can easily simply CLOSE the rear door, go back to the lunchroom, get his brown shirt and jacket, and then use rear staircase and exit out of TSBD by the west exit of the roofed building part of the dock?

C. IF it were true that Oswald was the shooter and had just pulled off an amazing treck down 4 flight of stairs and got past Dorothy Garner too, and he was just entering the lunchroom when just 15 seconds later or even earlier, Baker is meeting him, the Oswalds actions after that make no sense. He takes OFF his brown shirt and jacket? He then goes and gets a coke from the machine? he then decides just take a little stroll in the 2nd floor office, in just his T shirt? And EVEN THOUGH seeing Mrs Reid entering the front door, he CONTINUES into the office? HUH????


 

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« Reply #1139 on: November 08, 2019, 10:45:43 PM »
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Zeon:   Repeating your account is not going to get you around answering the fact we have two Oswalds witnessed by Craig and Frazier...

Both those Oswalds exited via the rear...

Yes, but Craig said the Oswald he saw was in "short sleeve shirt" and that the Oswald he saw was at the SW corner of the TSBD building at approx 12:45 and then after a whistle was heard,  Craig saw the Rambler stationwagon or one that resembles a Rambler station wagon, and the Oswald resembling person, or Oswald himself, ran down and got into the car driven by "dark complexion" man.

Did not BWF as well as several others,like Joe Molina, and Baker and Truly, Stanton, Cavalry, as well as even Peirce Allman, the reporter who saw Oswald in the LOBBY... did they not enter BEFORE Officer Barnett had locked the front doors at approx 3 min post shots (according to his WC testimony)?

If so, the BW Fraziers sighting of Oswald leaving would have to be around 2 min 45 seconds post shots.
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