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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2019, 02:30:02 PM »
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       Any point on Houston that would permit a possible shot at the JFK Limo.

A sniper who was sitting on a box to the east rear of the stacked Rolling readers  could not have aimed the rifle down toward Houston street if he had the rifle resting on the Rolling Readers....because he would have been facing SW....and Houston street was SE of the window....

There were no shots fired from that window.....   The scene was staged to implicate Lee Oswald.   

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« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2019, 01:59:00 AM »


Hypothetical shot onto Houston Street. I suppose the rifle could be moved forward a few more inches\if the shooter found it necessary. The shooter could have to be couched or on one knee, not sitting. The bottom inset picture in the image above is not from street level.


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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2019, 02:57:31 PM »


Hypothetical shot onto Houston Street. I suppose the rifle could be moved forward a few more inches\if the shooter found it necessary. The shooter could have to be couched or on one knee, not sitting. The bottom inset picture in the image above is not from street level.





Thank you for this good enlarged copy from the Hughes film.   The Hughes film was taken just seconds before the shooting and if there was a gunman on the sixth floor he should be visible in the above picture.  There appear to be two figures behind the fifth floor window but there is no rifle to be seen behind the sixth floor window. 

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #91 on: September 22, 2019, 06:19:08 PM »


Hypothetical shot onto Houston Street. I suppose the rifle could be moved forward a few more inches\if the shooter found it necessary. The shooter could have to be couched or on one knee, not sitting. The bottom inset picture in the image above is not from street level.



    Thanks for posting that visual aid. If the box leaning on the window sill was in that position when the JFK Limo passed by, it would serve No Purpose other than as a rifle rest. That box certainly is Not bracing the stack of boxes positioned behind it, as the box is not jammed between the stack of boxes and the window sill. A possible legit shooter in that window would also then mandate a Spotter. If this tandem were prepared to alternate between the roles of Shooter and Spotter, 1 shooter would then use that box on the window ledge as a rifle rest for a shot(s) down Houston St. If a shot or shots down Houston St. was nixed for some reason, then the Spotter for the Houston St shooter morphs into a shooter and uses the stacked boxes as his rifle rest for a shot(s) down Elm St. This possible 2 different shooters would most likely involve 2 different rifles. (1) Carcano + (1) Mauser. 
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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #92 on: September 22, 2019, 08:21:36 PM »
    Thanks for posting that visual aid. If the box leaning on the window sill was in that position when the JFK Limo passed by, it would serve No Purpose other than as a rifle rest. That box certainly is Not bracing the stack of boxes positioned behind it, as the box is not jammed between the stack of boxes and the window sill. A possible legit shooter in that window would also then mandate a Spotter. If this tandem were prepared to alternate between the roles of Shooter and Spotter, 1 shooter would then use that box on the window ledge as a rifle rest for a shot(s) down Houston St. If a shot or shots down Houston St. was nixed for some reason, then the Spotter for the Houston St shooter morphs into a shooter and uses the stacked boxes as his rifle rest for a shot(s) down Elm St. This possible 2 different shooters would most likely involve 2 different rifles. (1) Carcano + (1) Mauser.

There was no sniper behind that SE corner window, and there were no shots fired from that site!

Howard Brennan said that he saw a man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothing STANDING and AIMING a high powered rifle ( possibly a 30 30 Winchester) from a window on the sixth floor of the TSBD. I believe that he did.... BUT...I doubt that the man fired the rifle.... I strongly suspect that there was a "security guard" ( a man dressed like a deputy sheriff) who was on the sixth floor prior to the arrival of the motorcade.   This "security guard" had several functions to perform ...A)  Stick his rifle from the window at the time the ambulance crew were loading up the seizure victim...And B) ...toss a couple of spent carcano shells on the floor beneath the window...and... C) hide a carcano somewhere near the logical escape route for a assassin.....D)   prohibit any TSBD employee from being on the sixth floor....

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« Reply #93 on: September 26, 2019, 06:41:06 PM »
    Thanks for posting that visual aid. If the box leaning on the window sill was in that position when the JFK Limo passed by, it would serve No Purpose other than as a rifle rest. That box certainly is Not bracing the stack of boxes positioned behind it, as the box is not jammed between the stack of boxes and the window sill. A possible legit shooter in that window would also then mandate a Spotter. If this tandem were prepared to alternate between the roles of Shooter and Spotter, 1 shooter would then use that box on the window ledge as a rifle rest for a shot(s) down Houston St. If a shot or shots down Houston St. was nixed for some reason, then the Spotter for the Houston St shooter morphs into a shooter and uses the stacked boxes as his rifle rest for a shot(s) down Elm St. This possible 2 different shooters would most likely involve 2 different rifles. (1) Carcano + (1) Mauser.



Royell, is the dark strip that is seen in the sixth floor window..... A shadow being cast from the bottom window frame onto the box behind the window?....

Update...  I believe that the dark stripe is a shadow being cast by the vertical divider mullion, that is between the two windows.
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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #94 on: September 28, 2019, 06:06:30 PM »


Royell, is the dark strip that is seen in the sixth floor window..... A shadow being cast from the bottom window frame onto the box behind the window?....

Update...  I believe that the dark stripe is a shadow being cast by the vertical divider mullion, that is between the two windows.

Does this telephoto-view roughly relate to the shadow pattern seen in Hughes?




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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #95 on: September 28, 2019, 08:49:18 PM »
Does this telephoto-view roughly relate to the shadow pattern seen in Hughes?



No ,    I believe the shadow that is being cast by he dividing mullion is much too wide.....The boxes were less than two feet to the rear of that mullion and the time was 12:30....So the sun wouldn't have been casting long shadows ....