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Online John Mytton

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2019, 04:35:17 AM »
Utterly ridiculous!!

Why?, using a solid fixed support for a rifle will help aim, it's a proven no brainer. 



Oswald would have known this and that's why he specifically moved the smaller rolling reader boxes to use as his rifle rest, one of the boxes had Oswald's fresh prints on top, "fresh" meaning within 3 days.



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Viewing the bottom photo....It's obvious that Lee Oswald could not have sat on a box and rested the Carcano on the stacked Rolling readers. and declined the muzzle of the rifle down onto Elm street in front of the TSBD.....Just guessing..... but probably the lowest a rifle could be declined would be the elevation of the railroad tracks on the triple underpass   

And if the rifle had been fired from that site, then to decline the muzzle the rifleman would have to have stood up which would have negated the scar on the box idea completely....... ( because the Rolling Reader boxes could not have been employed by a standing shooter) And a standing shooter would have fired into the window ledge beneath the window.....

Walter,

How about the idea that the sniper didn't fire any of the three shots while sitting on that box, but that he (or she) sat on it while waiting for the motorcade to make its appearance at the Houston and Main intersection, or maybe even for a few seconds longer than that?

Don't like that scenario, either?

Bummer.

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2019, 05:58:48 AM »
Oswald would have known this and that's why he specifically moved the smaller rolling reader boxes to use as his rifle rest, one of the boxes had Oswald's fresh prints on top, "fresh" meaning within 3 days.

A print on a box newer than 3 days shows that he moved boxes specifically to use as a rifle rest?

Only in LN wonderland.

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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2019, 07:47:54 AM »
A print on a box newer than 3 days shows that he moved boxes specifically to use as a rifle rest?

Only in LN wonderland.

There's no need for the desperate sarcasm, there were what appears to be hundreds of boxes on the 6th floor of the Depository and the chances of Oswald touching every box within the last three days is incredibly slim but out of all of those boxes he specifically touched the one that was angled down Elm street.
In addition the prints were on top of the box which for a carrying purposes is a redundant surface.

Btw in the FBI tests the prints on a similar box only lasted a day but oddly Latona wouldn't testify to any sooner than 3 days?

Mr. EISENBERG. Would you bring that any closer?
Mr. LATONA. I am afraid I couldn't come any closer.
Mr. EISENBERG. 3 days?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
Mr. EISENBERG. That would be the outermost limit that you can testify concerning?
Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
Mr. EISENBERG. You would not care, you say, though----
Mr. LATONA. No.
Mr. EISENBERG. To employ that here, but your experiments produced a maximum time of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. Bear that out; yes. Like I say, undoubtedly this print was left on there----between the time that the print was left and the time that it was powdered could not have been too long a time. Otherwise, the print would not have developed with the clarity that it did.


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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2019, 02:24:59 PM »
Why?, using a solid fixed support for a rifle will help aim, it's a proven no brainer. 



Oswald would have known this and that's why he specifically moved the smaller rolling reader boxes to use as his rifle rest, one of the boxes had Oswald's fresh prints on top, "fresh" meaning within 3 days.



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Try doing what the conspirators claimed Lee Oswald did.....  Sit down a object that is about a foot high....  with boxes stacked about three feet high in front of you and use a broom or some object like that and try to rest it on the boxes while holding it against your shoulder ......If you're about Lee Oswald's size you'll find that you cannot decline the end of the broom ......... 

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 02:33:14 PM »
Walter,

How about the idea that the sniper didn't fire any of the three shots while sitting on that box, but that he (or she) sat on it while waiting for the motorcade to make its appearance at the Houston and Main intersection, or maybe even for a few seconds longer than that?

Don't like that scenario, either?

Bummer.

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You seem to have forgotten the basic scenario that the police used to convict Lee Oswald......  They said that he sat on the box to the rear and rested the Carcano on the stack of three Rolling Readers and declined the muzzle down onto Elm street in front of the TSBD and murdered President Kennedy......

They said he used the boxes as a rifle rest ......I'm here to tell you the feat was impossible......You must stick with the story they presented......

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 06:46:10 PM »
There's no need for the desperate sarcasm, there were what appears to be hundreds of boxes on the 6th floor of the Depository and the chances of Oswald touching every box within the last three days is incredibly slim but out of all of those boxes he specifically touched the one that was angled down Elm street.

What does this have to do with your claim that he used this as a rifle rest? “Angled down Elm street” is just you begging the question. You don’t know how long those boxes were there.

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In addition the prints were on top of the box which for a carrying purposes is a redundant surface.

Not for opening purposes.

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 09:03:59 PM »
What does this have to do with your claim that he used this as a rifle rest? “Angled down Elm street” is just you begging the question. You don’t know how long those boxes were there.

Not for opening purposes.



This photo depicts the imaginary prints on the CORNERS of the top box of Rolling Readers....  Who in the world handles a box by the CORNERS???

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2019, 09:10:46 PM »

You seem to have forgotten the basic scenario that the police used to convict Lee Oswald......  They said that he sat on the box to the rear and rested the Carcano on the stack of three Rolling Readers and declined the muzzle down onto Elm street in front of the TSBD and murdered President Kennedy......

They said he used the boxes as a rifle rest ......I'm here to tell you the feat was impossible......You must stick with the story they presented......

Walter,

Hey, everybody makes mistakes.

(Hell, even I made a mistake once.)

Analysis of the cartridge ejection pattern in the film The Lost Bullet strongly suggests that one shot was taken from a slightly different vertical position than the other two, and that none of them were taken by a person sitting on that box.

Deal with it, dude.

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Re: Crease in SN box
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 09:28:39 PM »
Walter,

Hey, everybody makes mistakes.

(Hell, even I made a mistake once.)

Analysis of the cartridge ejection pattern in the film The Lost Bullet strongly suggests that one shot was taken from a slightly different vertical position than the other two, and that none of them were taken by a person sitting on that box.

Deal with it, dude.


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none of them were taken by a person sitting on that box.

THAT'S The point I was trying to make....   Lee Oswald ( nor anybody else)  did NOT sit on a box and use the stack of Rolling Readers as a rifle rest....

But that is contrary to what the liars who framed Lee told the gullible public....

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