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Author Topic: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley  (Read 1970 times)

Offline Mike Carney

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I reply: Check out the video “JFK – The Smoking Gun” by Colin McLaren. In it he describes how Howard Donahue, a ballistic expert, determined that the shot came accidentally from Hickey.  The smoke from the gun carried back over the motorcade and many people in the following cars smelled gun smoke. The book "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger outlines Donahue's investigative work.
McLaren: “Ten witnesses smelled gun smoke at street level at the time of the shooting”. The wind was 16 mph from the south west. The wind was blowing at 15 mph towards the TSBD.  This wind direction would have carried gun smoke from the grassy knoll towards the TSBD also, away from the motorcade. If I understand this correctly, the wind would have been going directly at and in line with the motorcade from the front.
McLaren mentioned that Howard Donohue went through the Warren Report and found eleven witnesses that put the AR15 in Agent Hickeys hand at the time of the third shot. Of the eleven witnesses, seven are Secret Service agents.
I believe that any cover up by the feds wasn’t to shield the assassins; it was to cover up what Hickey had done.

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2019, 06:04:31 PM »
I reply: Check out the video “JFK – The Smoking Gun” by Colin McLaren. In it he describes how Howard Donahue, a ballistic expert, determined that the shot came accidentally from Hickey.  The smoke from the gun carried back over the motorcade and many people in the following cars smelled gun smoke. The book "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger outlines Donahue's investigative work.
McLaren: “Ten witnesses smelled gun smoke at street level at the time of the shooting”. The wind was 16 mph from the south west. The wind was blowing at 15 mph towards the TSBD.  This wind direction would have carried gun smoke from the grassy knoll towards the TSBD also, away from the motorcade. If I understand this correctly, the wind would have been going directly at and in line with the motorcade from the front.
McLaren mentioned that Howard Donohue went through the Warren Report and found eleven witnesses that put the AR15 in Agent Hickeys hand at the time of the third shot. Of the eleven witnesses, seven are Secret Service agents.
I believe that any cover up by the feds wasn’t to shield the assassins; it was to cover up what Hickey had done.

According to a car dude online, gasoline can smell like gunpowder at times, adding that the heavy limo could have produced the smell by being suddenly gunned into a higher speed. I didn't pursue that because I couldn't find anything else online supporting that notion.
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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2019, 06:35:47 PM »
I don’t disagree with car dude but what I found is a car can smell like rotten eggs or gunpowder if it is running too rich. The problem with that scenario is that they only smelled it after the shots were fired. If the car was running too rich it would have smelled of gunpowder from the git go and they didn’t. Also several people in the motorcade were very familiar with the smell of gunpowder and swore that they smelled gunpowder.

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2019, 06:35:47 PM »

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2019, 06:50:46 PM »
I reply: Check out the video “JFK – The Smoking Gun” by Colin McLaren. In it he describes how Howard Donahue, a ballistic expert, determined that the shot came accidentally from Hickey.  The smoke from the gun carried back over the motorcade and many people in the following cars smelled gun smoke. The book "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger outlines Donahue's investigative work.
McLaren: “Ten witnesses smelled gun smoke at street level at the time of the shooting”. The wind was 16 mph from the south west. The wind was blowing at 15 mph towards the TSBD.  This wind direction would have carried gun smoke from the grassy knoll towards the TSBD also, away from the motorcade. If I understand this correctly, the wind would have been going directly at and in line with the motorcade from the front.
McLaren mentioned that Howard Donohue went through the Warren Report and found eleven witnesses that put the AR15 in Agent Hickeys hand at the time of the third shot. Of the eleven witnesses, seven are Secret Service agents.
I believe that any cover up by the feds wasn’t to shield the assassins; it was to cover up what Hickey had done.

You just posted in another thread that the mob did it!! Make up your mind for **** sake.

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2019, 07:07:59 PM »
The mob did not fire the fatal head shot. The mob did the assassination of JFK, planned, organized, executed, etc,  but they did not fire the fatal round.
In the excitement, Hickey accidently squeezed off a round. I have read that he was standing up on the rear seat which would create an unstable situation. Now imagine him with the AR15 in his hand, the car accelerates or decelerates and he loses his balance. In that situation anyone would try to grab onto something. He grabbed the pistol grip thus squeezing off the fatal round.

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
I don’t disagree with car dude but what I found is a car can smell like rotten eggs or gunpowder if it is running too rich. The problem with that scenario is that they only smelled it after the shots were fired. If the car was running too rich it would have smelled of gunpowder from the git go and they didn’t. Also several people in the motorcade were very familiar with the smell of gunpowder and swore that they smelled gunpowder.

Are you talking about people near the limo? If gasoline can smell like gunpowder then all bets are off, especially given the fact that emotions can enter the picture given the gunfire and shock.

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2019, 08:07:25 PM »
Are you talking about people near the limo? If gasoline can smell like gunpowder then all bets are off, especially given the fact that emotions can enter the picture given the gunfire and shock.

Hey Bill, aren't we jumping the gun a bit here? Shouldn't we first be asking who exactly these "Ten witnesses (who) smelled gun smoke at street level at the time of the shooting” actually are? Where are their statements and testimonies? Do Mike Carney's cited authors supply any actual proof these 'witnesses' even exist?

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2019, 08:08:58 PM »
The mob did not fire the fatal head shot. The mob did the assassination of JFK, planned, organized, executed, etc,  but they did not fire the fatal round.
In the excitement, Hickey accidently squeezed off a round. I have read that he was standing up on the rear seat which would create an unstable situation. Now imagine him with the AR15 in his hand, the car accelerates or decelerates and he loses his balance. In that situation anyone would try to grab onto something. He grabbed the pistol grip thus squeezing off the fatal round.
Closeups of frames from the Charles Bronson film that were taken at the time of the fatal head shot apparently shows Hickey seated in the SS car/Queen Mary. Or at least with no rifle in his hands. It's not entirely clear (to me) that that's Hickey; I assume it's him (who else could it be?) since he was seated in the back left. However, it does show, again to me, pretty clearly no one in the back of the car with a raised rifle at the time of the head shot.

The below are from Dale Myers' site. The story/details can be found here: http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2013/08/drums-of-conspiracy.html

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2019, 08:12:43 PM »
The mob did not fire the fatal head shot. The mob did the assassination of JFK, planned, organized, executed, etc,  but they did not fire the fatal round.
In the excitement, Hickey accidently squeezed off a round. I have read that he was standing up on the rear seat which would create an unstable situation. Now imagine him with the AR15 in his hand, the car accelerates or decelerates and he loses his balance. In that situation anyone would try to grab onto something. He grabbed the pistol grip thus squeezing off the fatal round.

   If you look at images of the Queen Mary coming down Houston St and then Elm St, SA Hickey is seated Much Higher than everyone else inside that car. In fact, the level of his Head is Higher than the Top of the windshield. Nobody has ever explained Exactly why Hickey was seated at that highly elevated level.
   SA Hickey was usually one of the "Detail" Guys that washed, waxed, and generally cleaned up the Limos before and after they were used in official functions.  Hickey's SS field experience was more in line with Manny, Moe, & Jack vs an SS agent such as Clint Hill. Putting a "locked and loaded" AR-15 in the hands of an inexperienced individual such as Hickey amidst his being under fire = rolling the dice as to what you are going to get.

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2019, 09:00:22 PM »
"Shooting holes in theory that a Secret Service agent killed President Kennedy"   

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_Service_agent_killed_President_Kennedy.html

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Re: Did Hickey Fire the Fatal Shot - Originally Posted by Tom Dooley
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