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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #410 on: September 12, 2019, 04:38:35 PM »
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Besides  seeing Jarman and Norman, Lee Oswald also met Eddie Piper around the noon, and Mrs. Sarah Stanton later - that encounter is important because Mrs. Stanton had repeatedly told her relatives that she met Oswald on stairs when he was just going to buy Coke for his lunch. That encounter matches Hosty's note accurately. Mrs. Stanton would have been on her way out about 10 minutes (at least) before the arrival of the motorcade  because Billy Lovelady who came out relatively early saw her through the glass window as she already stood out in the company of Bill Shelley.

Stancak's reference to Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald on the 2nd floor staircase landing is my discovery so therefore Stancak is violating Gordon's restriction against posting any of my research on the Education Forum...This only proves the petty incompetence of Gordon and his oversight because it is silly to think a credible research site can exclude seriously important evidence simply because an inept moderator has a grudge...This one point only proves Gordon's unfitness for moderator...

Yes, Andrej that encounter with Stanton is very important but not for the false reason you contend...Because the coward James Gordon has censored my ability to respond Stancak is getting away with offering a false version of events to try and bend things towards Oswald being Prayer Man...What Stancak omits is the fact Wanda Daniel told me in a separate phone conversation that she heard Sarah say Oswald said he was going back in to the break room...That break room was obviously the 2nd floor lunch room where Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald shortly after...Because Stancak is a Prayer Man cult member he ignores this and tries to assert Oswald went from his encounter with Stanton down to the front steps as Prayer Man...It makes sense to me that Stanton did not see an Oswald who was headed down to the Domino Room or front steps...If he was she never would have caught up with him...The reason Stanton managed to catch Oswald was because he was out there on the staircase landing waiting for the ladies in the lunch room to leave...Proof of this is the fact Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room moments later...The correct interpretation of Stanton's witnessing is Oswald already bought his Coke and was waiting to go in to the 2nd floor lunch room...Stancak has no detective sense because Oswald could not have just bought that Coke if the ladies were in the lunch room...He had to be out there for a while...

The moderator wisdom of James Gordon makes sure I am restricted and banned so Stancak can offer this easily refuted false Prayer Man version...Gordon is not a good moderator if you have any hope of seeing the correct evidence openly and fairly discussed...   
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« Reply #410 on: September 12, 2019, 04:38:35 PM »

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« Reply #411 on: September 12, 2019, 04:49:34 PM »
Stancak's reference to Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald on the 2nd floor staircase landing is my discovery so therefore Stancak is violating Gordon's restriction against posting any of my research on the Education Forum...

You mean it's your made-up BS.

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What Stancak omits is the fact Wanda Daniel told me in a separate phone conversation that she heard Sarah say Oswald said he was going back in to the break room...

Of course she did.  You just forgot to record it.

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That break room was obviously the 2nd floor lunch room where Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald shortly after...

Why is that obvious?  Just because you want it to be that?

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It makes sense to me that Stanton did not see an Oswald who was headed down to the Domino Room or front steps...

All of your made-up BS makes sense to you.

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If he was she never would have caught up with him...The reason Stanton managed to catch Oswald was because he was out there on the staircase landing waiting for the ladies in the lunch room to leave...Proof of this is the fact Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room moments later...

You don't know that Arnold's sighting of Oswald was "moments later".  You made that up too.

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« Reply #412 on: September 12, 2019, 06:58:21 PM »
Good grief. This is turning into another prayer man thread ???

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« Reply #413 on: September 12, 2019, 07:28:53 PM »

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Lance, that's the point, no one from those standing on steps of the doorway ever mentioned that there was someone at the western wall. Some have correctly mentioned few neighbors but others, such as Mr. Otis Williams, said they did not remember a single one. How strange. All the people standing there had a blind spot for the western wall. Even Mr. Frazier who stood some 2 feet away from Prayer Man. This I find strange. However, this person stood there, he can be seen at his spot in two films for a period of several seconds. If only one of the people in the doorway said who that person was and if that could be somehow verified, the whole case would be long over by now. But no, no one said anything about their neighbor at the western wall. Maybe they knew that that man was a big problem and chose not to say anything. Seeing no one standing to his left and right as Otis Williams said gave them a break. 

There are not 15 photographs of the doorway in which Prayer Man is identifiable but there is more than one document - Darnell and Wiegman. You can say a lot about this person if you want to explore. You may wish to check the thread "Prayer Man is a Man" which contains quite a lot of details regarding Prayer Man's body height, stance, hands posture, clothing, hairline and even facial features. It is the simultaneous occurrence of several, not one, features which constitute a case of Prayer Man being Lee Oswald. All those features which are seen in Prayer Man cannot be found also in Lee Oswald by chance. Of course, it is difficult to extract some features just by looking on a photograph. Apparently, my effort is laughable and your ignorance is actually the correct attitude.

Andrej is lying with Gordon's protection here...Both Lovelady and Frazier specified Sarah Stanton was by the west wall in Prayer Man's spot...

Lovelady did it twice...Once when he named those closest to him from his left to his right at the time of Altgens...He named Shelley who was to his left...Frazier who was directly behind...And Stanton who was to his right in the Prayer Man spot...In his 1964 FBI statement Lovelady said Sarah was right next to him when he was over to the far right of the entranceway...The Hughes Film shows Lovelady in that spot with Prayer Man behind and next to him...

Frazier said he was looking at Sarah when Calvery got to the steps...Darnell shows the exact time Calvery got to the steps and Prayer Man is over by the west wall...Prayer Man has a woman's face as shown by Davidson so that makes Prayer Man Stanton...Stancak is lying and ignoring evidence when he says no one placed anyone at the west wall...

Stancak is uncredibly ignoring that photogrammetry has proven Prayer Man has a woman's face...Woman's dress...Woman's pocket book...Woman's hips...And Sarah Stanton's obese forearm and hand...

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« Reply #414 on: September 12, 2019, 09:52:33 PM »
We've proven the 3 Women were Simmons, Holt, and Jacob despite the protests of a certain obvious troll...Which in turn proves Calvery is the Tall Woman in the plaid skirt in Zapruder that Chris Calvery told me was his mother...Once proven we can then refer to the excellent discovery of Thomas Graves and Sandy Larsen of Calvery on the steps in Darnell...Once we located Calvery on the steps in Darnell we can then calibrate her to Buell Frazier's statement that he was staring at Sarah in shock for the longest time after he heard Calvery announce the president has been shot as she arrived at the steps...Since all testimony says Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery before they left the steps that means the scene we see in Darnell is about 3 seconds after Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery and headed up the extension...There is zero doubt those are the two men seen walking with each other as they head up the extension...It can't be anyone else...Since Frazier is staring at Prayer Man the whole time in Darnell that makes Prayer Man Stanton...This is proven fact whether Bart Kamp and his trolls have been allowed to hijack the JFK research community...The community is dysfunctional because it fights against this correct evidence as it hijacks the internet...That kind of dysfunction only serves those who oppose the truth...

I have OBlazney on ignore so I can't see his pestering posts...However the persons who are trying to falsely place Oswald on the front steps are Kamp's group...THEY are the Cinque's in this situation because they irrationally ignore the correct evidence and try to force Oswald in to Sarah Stanton's body on the front steps landing platform...Mr OBlazney never enters a serious post that respectfully addresses the material in the discussion and is a good example of the double standard of which I speak...

Excellent post, Brian, although I so strongly disagree with you about where you "take" this (e.g., "there were two Oswalds in the TSBD, Lee Harvey was told by the evil, evil, evil CIA to wait in the Second Floor Lunch Room, there were two Geraldine Reids (sic), everybody and his brother lied") that I don't even want to talk with you about it (understand?), but an excellent, fact-based post, nevertheless.

-- MWT  ;)

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« Reply #415 on: September 12, 2019, 09:56:57 PM »
two Geraldine Reids (sic),

There's photographic proof of two visibly different Mrs Reid's over on the Censorship Forum...

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« Reply #416 on: September 13, 2019, 07:28:12 PM »
Andrej is lying with Gordon's protection here...Both Lovelady and Frazier specified Sarah Stanton was by the west wall in Prayer Man's spot...

No, youíre the one whoís lying. Neither Frazier or Lovelady said anything of the kind.

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Lovelady did it twice...Once when he named those closest to him from his left to his right at the time of Altgens...

False. He said nothing about Altgens and nothing about left to right.

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In his 1964 FBI statement Lovelady said Sarah was right next to him when he was over to the far right of the entranceway...The Hughes Film shows Lovelady in that spot with Prayer Man behind and next to him...

False. Prayerperson is not visible in Hughes.

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Frazier said he was looking at Sarah when Calvery got to the steps...Darnell shows the exact time Calvery got to the steps and Prayer Man is over by the west wall...

Fabrication. You donít know when Calvery got to the steps.

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Prayer Man has a woman's face as shown by Davidson so that makes Prayer Man Stanton...

Once again, Davidson said he proved nothing.

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Stancak is lying and ignoring evidence when he says no one placed anyone at the west wall...

No, Stancak is right and you are lying.

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Stancak is uncredibly ignoring that photogrammetry has proven Prayer Man has a woman's face...Woman's dress...Woman's pocket book...Woman's hips...And Sarah Stanton's obese forearm and hand...

There is no photogrammetry for any of this, just your false claims.

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« Reply #417 on: September 13, 2019, 07:29:23 PM »
There's photographic proof of two visibly different Mrs Reid's over on the Censorship Forum...

No there isnít. Thereís a photo of Mrs Reid and a photo of somebody who is not Mrs Reid.

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« Reply #418 on: September 13, 2019, 10:22:37 PM »
No there isnít. Thereís a photo of Mrs Reid and a photo of somebody who is not Mrs Reid.

Iacoletti,

Which photo is of Mrs. Reid?

Could you please post it here for us?

Thanks!

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Is the woman whose face is partially obscurred in Wiegman Mrs. Reid?

Is the woman standing by the corner of the building after the assassination Mrs. Reid?

Is the woman sitting with Jim Leavelle Mrs. Reid?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!

PPS  Are you sure those people aren't  men, instead?
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« Reply #419 on: September 13, 2019, 10:29:19 PM »
To show a prime example of James Gordon's incompetence Kamp has just posted a quote from OV Campbell saying an officer came up to the steps as Brennan approached them...Kamp is using this as proof that Baker was outside and did not go in to the Depository as told...However in that same passage Campbell makes clear that Baker & Truly had already gone in before this officer met Brennan on the steps...

It is pretty clear that the context is that Campbell is trying to say Baker & Truly went right in and then afterward another police officer came up to the steps and met Brennan...As usual, Kamp is so desperate to twist everything towards Prayer Man being Oswald that he's missing the obvious interpretation of what he is quoting...And of course Kamp website member Ed LeDoux comes in and cheerleads that Kamp is a great researcher who has proven Prayer Man is Oswald...This is how the Prayer Man theory took root under the incompetent oversight of James Gordon...
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