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Offline Michael Clark

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #190 on: August 27, 2019, 01:50:22 AM »
Michael,

Well, didn't your boy John L. Hart say he was a certified "Paranoid," or was that your other hero, Richards J. Heuer?

Leonard "I Destroyed Scotty Miler's Records on Nosenko" McCoy?


It's so hard to keep up will all those wishful-thinking, spiteful, under-endowed virtual traitors ...

Cheers!

--  MWT   ;)

“I find your knowledge of who is, and who is not, “well endowed” disturbing”

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #191 on: August 27, 2019, 02:25:32 AM »
“I find your knowledge of who is, and who is not, “well endowed” disturbing”

Michael,

As with most things on this forum and at the EF, you got it backwards.

As Tennent H. Bagley said, he and Scotty Miler, and James Angleton, et al., were undermined (and KGB's "Monster Plot" abetted) by a few spiteful and under-endowed CIA officers.

Probable mole Richard Kovich, and virtual traitors Leonard McCoy, John L. Hart, Bruce Solie, Howard Osborne, Richards J. Heuer, Clevelland Cram, and possible mole William Colby come to mind.

Cheers!

--  MWT  ;)
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Offline Michael Clark

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #192 on: August 27, 2019, 02:52:03 AM »
Michael,

, et al.,

Cheers!

--  MWT  ;)

Who is “et al.”? There is no “et al”.

Online Thomas Graves

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #193 on: August 27, 2019, 03:17:07 AM »
Who is “et al.”? There is no “et al”.

Michael,

Vague post.

What's the context?

And .. uhh ... regardless ... how do you know?

Something that Vladimir Putin, or Julian Assange, or Tim Leonard (aka "Adam Carter") told you?

Jefferson "Intellectually Dishonest" Morley?

James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio?

Dawn "Tin Foil Hat" Meredith?

Mark "The CPUSA Paid Me" Lane?

Oliver "I Trust Putin and My Son Works for RT" Stone?

Tom "Virtual Traitor Leonard McCoy Was My Main Source" Mangold?

David "Not So" Wise?

LOL

--  MWT  ;)

Cheers!
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Offline Michael Clark

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #194 on: August 27, 2019, 03:26:50 AM »
Michael,

Vague post.

What's the context?

--  MWT  ;)

Cheers!

The context is your post, I quoted you. You are implying with your “et al.” that there is a list of like minded people on your list beyond Bagely, Angleton, and Miller? There isn’t.
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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #195 on: August 27, 2019, 03:29:34 AM »
Michael,

Vague post.

What's the context?

And .. uhh ... regardless ... how do you know?

Something that Vladimir Putin, or Julian Assange, or Tim Leonard (aka "Adam Carter") told you?

Jefferson "Intellectually Dishonest" Morley?

James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio?

Dawn "Tin Foil Hat" Meredith?

Mark "The CPUSA Paid Me" Lane?

Oliver "I Trust Putin and My Son Works for RT" Stone?

Tom "Virtual Traitor Leonard McCoy Was My Main Source" Mangold?

David "Not So" Wise?

LOL

--  MWT  ;)

Cheers!

Thomas, your list includes the set that is equal to everybody but you, and two other dead men.

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2019, 03:35:13 AM »
Thomas, your list includes the set that is equal to everybody but you, and two other dead men.

Yep, it was monstrous wishfull-thinking on their part, all right, and ol' Yuri told 'em just what they wanted to hear!

Set?

Boolean Algebra, or a new hit singularity by that hip-hop group "Alice Mandelbrot and the Strange Attractors"?

Point Match?
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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #197 on: August 27, 2019, 03:38:43 AM »
Michael,

As with most things on this forum and at the EF, you got it backwards.

As Tennent H. Bagley said, he and Scotty Miler, and James Angleton, et al., were undermined (and KGB's "Monster Plot" abetted) by a few spiteful and under-endowed CIA officers.

Probable mole Richard Kovich, and virtual traitors Leonard McCoy, John L. Hart, Bruce Solie, Howard Osborne, Richards J. Heuer, Clevelland Cram, and possible mole William Colby come to mind.

Cheers!

--  MWT  ;)

What about Helms?

Online Thomas Graves

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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #198 on: August 27, 2019, 03:46:45 AM »
What about Helms?

Helms?

You didn't know he signed off on ol' Yuri just as a matter of expediency, and that in his HSCA testimony he called 'em a liar?

Nope, Helms distrusted Nosenko until the day he died.

He wasn't perfect, though.

In fact, one of Helms' biggest mistakes was following official procedure and turning the Peter Karlow serial over to JEH on January 9, 1962 -- three weeks after true-defector Golitsyn had defected to the U.S. -- and then, of course, some gumshoe FBI agents messed up the surveillance of the former "Easy Chair" chief.

Who was the FBI genius who thought of sending some agents to his house to ask him if they could use his basement to listen in on some his neighbors who were suspected by the FBI "of being German spies"?

Karlow says "okay," and the next morning, being a tech-guy, himself, easily realizes that they've tapped his phone, instead!

Oh yeah, and who was the genius in the FBI who had a "chimney sweeper" knock on his door and offer to clean his chimney  ... for free?

And so he grows suspicious and makes a mysterious trip to Philly with a box, goes into a building with the box and comes out without the box, and later tells his interrogators that it was his "extra prosthetic leg" that he'd taken in for "some repairs," and ... and ... and ... JEH gets frustrated with all this unproductive surveillance xxxx and, instead of "playing him" to see who else he might secretly contact, they haul his xxx in for five days of harsh interrorgation?

LOL

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if he transported top-secret CIA docs to his KGB handler (in Philly?) inside his prosthetic leg, in a box, or not in a box.

Look it up in Mark Riebling's Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA. (It's free-to-read on the Internet.)

Cheers!

-- MWT  ;)
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Re: The Monster Plot, by CIA's Very Own KGB Apologist John L. Hart!
« Reply #199 on: August 27, 2019, 05:35:08 AM »
The context is your post, I quoted you. You are implying with your “et al.” that there is a list of like minded people on your list beyond Bagely, Angleton, and Miller. There isn’t.

Michael,

Bagley's Soviet Russia/Soviet Block Counterintelligence section and James Angleton's CI Staff were both highly secretive and neither of them had a whole lot of people in them, but one name in Bagley's section that comes to mind is "Joe Westin," who, at a late date, tried to "go to bat" for the Nosenko-is-a-false-defector guys, but was told in so many words (by Colby or some other fool) that if he didn't cease and desist, there "wouldn't be room" for him in CIA.

A CIA employee who was convinced that Nosenko was a false defector and who also believed in Golitsyn's Monster Plot "theory" was true defector Pyotr Deriabin.  Ever heard of him?

How about William Hood (who was in a different division, altogether)?

There are probably others, but I can't think of them at the moment.

Maybe you should look at Bagley's "acknowledgements page" at the beginning of Spy Wars to get an inkling of some of the people who were on Bagley's, Angleton's and Miler's side in the Golitsyn versus Nosenko controversy, and everything that entailed?

Just an idea.

Cheers!

-- MWT  ;)
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