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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #208 on: August 19, 2019, 09:26:11 PM »
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And it's alright if you don't answer questions.

No specific frame. I believe Connally's rapid rightward head turn beginning Z162 suggests a first shot fired a few frames earlier. This has been gone over by me in this topic repeatedly.

I don't know. Could be the missed shot or a fragment from the head shot. Rague himself initially said second or third, but favors the second.

No opinion.

Jerry,

Your dismissal of Euins' and Donaldson's recollections in The Lost Bullet seem unfounded to me.

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Re: First shot reactions
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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #209 on: August 19, 2019, 09:37:00 PM »
Jerry,

Your dismissal of Euins' and Donaldson's recollections in The Lost Bullet seem unfounded to me.

--  MWT   ;)

You wrote: "If memory serves, what they said tended to suggest that the first shot happened a second or to before Zapruder turned his camera back on at Z-133 (iirc)."

Is that what you make of their statements?

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #210 on: August 19, 2019, 10:33:08 PM »
You wrote: "If memory serves, what they said tended to suggest that the first shot happened a second or to before Zapruder turned his camera back on at Z-133 (iirc)."

Is that what you make of their statements?

Jerry,

And you don't, because Euins and Donaldson were "all wet" as to where they were standing and where the limo was when they heard the first shot?

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #211 on: August 19, 2019, 10:56:21 PM »
Jerry,

And you don't, because Euins and Donaldson were "all wet" as to where they were standing and where the limo was when they heard the first shot?

--  Mudd Wrassler Tommy   ;)

So you actually believe what Max Holland says about the first shot occurring 1.5 sec before Zapruder started filming?

I don't think there's anything left to discuss. Have a good one.

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #212 on: August 19, 2019, 11:42:10 PM »
So you actually believe what Max Holland says about the first shot occurring 1.5 sec before Zapruder started filming?

I don't think there's anything left to discuss. Have a good one.

I thought it was 1.485382 seconds.

Uhh ... before he resumed filming, actually.
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Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #213 on: August 21, 2019, 07:38:03 AM »
I thought it was 1.485382 seconds.

Uhh ... before he resumed filming, actually.
Graves believes Max Holland. Tell everyone you and Gary Mack were buddies too. That is absolutely nuts

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #214 on: August 21, 2019, 04:52:37 PM »
Graves believes Max Holland.
Holland was trying to reconcile the SBT with the overwhelming evidence of the 1.....2..3  shot pattern.  It can't be done.    In his attempt to do that, he had to overlook the evidence that the last two shots were in rapid succession (5 seconds (z223-z313) doesn't fit that evidence) and that virtually everyone said that the first shot occurred at a point well after Zapruder started filming the motorcade cars.

The 1.....2...3 shot pattern cannot be reconciled with the SBT, but it does fit with Oswald firing all the shots.

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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #215 on: August 21, 2019, 05:22:02 PM »
Graves believes Max Holland. Tell everyone you and Gary Mack were buddies too. That is absolutely nuts

Peter,

Gary Mack and I were friends?  Was that pre-Badgeman, or post-Badgeman?

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Are you still in regular communication with Vladimir Putin and Julian Assange?