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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #184 on: August 17, 2019, 09:21:20 PM »
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Jerry,

How do the "statements" of Patricia Ann Donaldson (née Lambert) and Amos Euis in The Lost Bullet fit into your scenario?  If memory serves, what they said tended to suggest that the first shot happened a second or to before Zapruder turned his camera back on at Z-133 (iirc).

Also, which shot do you believe damaged James Tague, down by the Triple Underpass?

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The "Lost Bullet" shows Euins in a location that he is not seen in in the Bell Film. And Donaldson says the limousine (stopped at Z334 Z134) is about where the first shot occurred. That doesn't even support Holland's theory.
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Re: First shot reactions
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« Reply #185 on: August 18, 2019, 12:36:47 AM »
I was showing the VP and VP Security Cars.

The "Lost Bullet" shows Euins in a location that he is not seen in in the Bell Film. And Donaldson says the limousine (stopped at Z334) is about where the first shot occurred. That doesn't even support Holland's theory.

Jerry,

You're making the very common mistake of conflating journalist Anne Donaldson with Patrician Ann Donaldson (maiden name: Patricia Ann Lambert Lawrence).

Amos Euins was 14 years-old and quite short, and, according to him, he moved from near the curb on Houston over to the short pillar by the reflecting fountain (or whatever it is) as the limo was making the turn onto Elm Street, so it's no surprise that he hasn't been spotted in any of the films (yet).

Rhetorical question: When's the last time you watched The Lost Bullet?

Factoid:  If you watch a clear version of Mark Bell's film and/or Tina Towner's film in slow-motion, you can spot Lambert and her friend Lupe Whittaker (both basically dressed in black) and tall, dressed-in-white Stetson Man (all three of whom are very visible in the Wiegman film), standing on the "island," or maybe in the street just off the tip of the "island," to the right of the TSBD's entrance (from Bell's and Towner's points-of-view).

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #186 on: August 18, 2019, 01:12:35 AM »
Jerry,

You're making the very common mistake of conflating journalist Anne Donaldson with Patrician Ann Donaldson (maiden name: Patricia Ann Lambert).

Amos Euins was 14 years-old and quite short, and, according to him, he moved from near the curb on Houston over to the short pillar by the reflecting fountain (or whatever it is) as the limo was making the turn onto Elm Street, so it's no surprise that he hasn't been spotted in any of the films (yet).

Rhetorical question: When's the last time you watched The Lost Bullet?

Factoid:  If you watch a clear version of Mark Bell's film and/or Tina Towner's film in slow-motion, you can spot Lambert and her friend Lupe Whittaker (both basically dressed in black) and tall, dressed-in-white Stetson Man (all three of whom are very visible in the Wiegman film), standing on the "island," or maybe in the street just off the tip of the "island," to the right of the TSBD's entrance (from Bell's and Towner's points-of-view).

--  MWT   ;)

     Euins told HSCA Investigators that he had a camera with him on 11/22/63 and lost track of it. This late addition to his story makes him an unreliable witness. 

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« Reply #187 on: August 18, 2019, 01:22:11 AM »
     Euins told HSCA Investigators that he had a camera with him on 11/22/63 and lost track of it. This late addition to his story makes him an unreliable witness.

Royell,

Maybe he didn't want to have his camera or photos confiscated?

Is a "late addition" the same thing as a "lie" in your book?

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« Reply #189 on: August 18, 2019, 01:28:14 AM »
Jerry,

You're making the very common mistake of conflating journalist Anne Donaldson with Patrician Ann Donaldson (maiden name: Patricia Ann Lambert).

Amos Euins was 14 years-old and quite short, and, according to him, he moved from near the curb on Houston over to the short pillar by the reflecting fountain (or whatever it is) as the limo was making the turn onto Elm Street, so it's no surprise that he hasn't been spotted in any of the films (yet).

Rhetorical question: When's the last time you watched The Lost Bullet?

Factoid:  If you watch a clear version of Mark Bell's film and/or Tina Towner's film in slow-motion, you can spot Lambert and her friend Lupe Whittaker (both basically dressed in black) and tall, dressed-in-white Stetson Man (all three of whom are very visible in the Wiegman film), standing on the "island," or maybe in the street just off the tip of the "island," to the right of the TSBD's entrance (from Bell's and Towner's points-of-view).

--  MWT   ;)

I have heard 15 yr old, 11 yr old, 7 yr old and now a 14 yr old.  Get ready to be confused


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« Reply #190 on: August 18, 2019, 01:51:12 AM »

"Amos Euins was 14 years-old and quite short, and, according to him, he moved from near the curb on Houston over to the short pillar by the reflecting fountain (or whatever it is) as the limo was making the turn onto Elm Street, so it's no surprise that he hasn't been spotted in any of the films (yet)."


I have heard 15 yr old, 11 yr old, 7 yr old and now a 14 yr old.


Dear Peter,

Have you ever heard that Amos Euins was "tall," or "full-grown," or even "almost full-grown," anything like that?

Does he look very big to you in the photos and films that were taken that day?

-- MWT   ;)


 

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« Reply #191 on: August 18, 2019, 07:34:07 AM »
"Amos Euins was 14 years-old and quite short, and, according to him, he moved from near the curb on Houston over to the short pillar by the reflecting fountain (or whatever it is) as the limo was making the turn onto Elm Street, so it's no surprise that he hasn't been spotted in any of the films (yet)."

Dear Peter,

Have you ever heard that Amos Euins was "tall," or "full-grown," or even "almost full-grown," anything like that?

Does he look very big to you in the photos and films that were taken that day?

-- MWT   ;)
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