Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: First shot reactions  (Read 40524 times)

Offline Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2621
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #120 on: August 05, 2019, 03:41:48 PM »
Advertisement
FMJ ammo is designed to travel through-and-through flesh and remain as intact as possible. Glancing off heavy bone can twist and squeeze out some intact/pristine design ambitions.


CE 399 Butt End view
A view never posted by CTers

Regarding the head shot: The fact that I don't claim FMJ ammo as purposed to remain intact after encountering solid bone straight on, your charge of 'having it both ways' is rendered moot. Striking the back of the skull nose-first can shatter some people's illusions about what FMJ ammo can and can't do.

      It is the Conflicting Ammo that is the Proof in the pudding.  Ammo striking a skull and Disintegrating vs ammo striking radius bone and emerging Pristine are Not Equal.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #120 on: August 05, 2019, 03:41:48 PM »


Online Andrew Mason

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1241
    • SPMLaw
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #121 on: August 05, 2019, 06:15:31 PM »

They were going down a hill. The inclination begins early.

Lady Bird never said the car had straightened up.
So what is inconsistent about her statement and Jacks'? Only the driver is likely to be aware of when the car straightened out after making the turn. 
Quote
Not far from being straightened out by, say, Z160 (allow a few frames for witnesses to perceive and process the noise) since the car is 70-degrees off Houston with just the rear trunk remaining to go on Elm. The driver said he was looking at the President, not gauging how straight his car was. He might later have had the impression that he had literally straightened up, but it wasn't the most important thing to remember.
There is no way to shoehorn Jack's statement with a first shot anywhere close to z160.   Here is what the VP car was doing at z160:



Quote
Ready's head barely moves after Z199. So that's probably not where he "immediately" turned to his right.
We can't see Ready after z207. Before z199 he is facing forward to Zapruder's right. Between z198 and z207 he releases the left hand from the handhold and turns continuously to his right. By z207 his right hand is down by his right side and he is facing to Zapruder's left.  He turns around to look rearward after z207 as we see him in Altgens' no. 6. taken at z256.

Between z160 and z199 Ready turns to his left and is looking left by z171. He appears to move his head right and left again just to look at the crowd in front on both sides - never behind or even to the side.  He never lets go of the handhold with his right hand.

Offline Bill Chapman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6513
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #122 on: August 06, 2019, 12:51:43 AM »
      It is the Conflicting Ammo that is the Proof in the pudding.  Ammo striking a skull and Disintegrating vs ammo striking radius bone and emerging Pristine are Not Equal.

Show us where CE399 struck either of the two large wrist bones nose-first. Show us where the butt-end view of CE399 (go ahead, post the-butt view of CE399... I dare you) fits any reasonable description of being in 'pristine' condition.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #122 on: August 06, 2019, 12:51:43 AM »


Offline Gary Craig

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 907
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #123 on: August 06, 2019, 07:21:39 AM »
Texas Governor John Connally's surgeon Robert Shaw

Offline Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2621
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2019, 03:32:21 PM »
Show us where CE399 struck either of the two large wrist bones nose-first. Show us where the butt-end view of CE399 (go ahead, post the-butt view of CE399... I dare you) fits any reasonable description of being in 'pristine' condition.

    Yes ladies and gentlemen. Focus your Complete Attention on "the butt end" of the bullet while David Copperfield marches his behind the curtain Elephant Off of the stage.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2019, 03:33:18 PM by Royell Storing »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2019, 03:32:21 PM »


Online Andrew Mason

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1241
    • SPMLaw
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #125 on: August 06, 2019, 04:13:41 PM »
Texas Governor John Connally's surgeon Robert Shaw
Thanks Gary for digging up this clip.  Of course, Dr. Shaw was "bat-spombleprofglidnoctobuns crazy" for even suggesting that the bullet through JFK's neck went to the left side of Governor Connally ... right Jerry?

Offline Jerry Organ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2297
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #126 on: August 06, 2019, 06:30:28 PM »
Thanks Gary for digging up this clip.  Of course, Dr. Shaw was "bat-spombleprofglidnoctobuns crazy" for even suggesting that the bullet through JFK's neck went to the left side of Governor Connally ... right Jerry?

Shaw must have seen your 3D work. :D



So you believe the CT cartoons? No surprise there.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #126 on: August 06, 2019, 06:30:28 PM »


Online Andrew Mason

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1241
    • SPMLaw
Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #127 on: August 06, 2019, 08:28:24 PM »
Shaw must have seen your 3D work. :D
Shaw died in 1992. So he must have figured it out all on his own.



So you believe the CT cartoons? No surprise there.
[/quote]What CT cartoons are you speaking about? Shaw was simply drawing based on the trajectory and seating positions which are entirely consistent with the evidence. Your drawing on the right speaks for itself: the bullet has to go left to right after exiting JFK to reach JBC's right armpit.