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Offline Charles Collins

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2019, 01:39:55 AM »
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Mr. WILLIS. No, sir; I took that picture just seconds before the first shot was fired, to get back close up. Then I started down the street, and the regular weekly edition of Life magazine came out and shows me in about three different pictures going down the street. Then my next shot was taken at the very--in fact, the shot caused me to squeeze the camera shutter, and I got a picture of the President as he was hit with the first shot. So instantaneous, in fact, that the crowd hadn't had time to react.





In my opinion, Willis got the sequence a little confused. I don’t doubt that the noise of the first shot caused him to press the shutter button. However, I believe it was on the previous photo. The one that I posted above (in the second post). It appears that he was still trying to focus when it was inadvertently taken due to the noise of the first shot.

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2019, 01:44:58 AM »
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Mr. WILLIS. No, sir; I took that picture just seconds before the first shot was fired, to get back close up. Then I started down the street, and the regular weekly edition of Life magazine came out and shows me in about three different pictures going down the street. Then my next shot was taken at the very--in fact, the shot caused me to squeeze the camera shutter, and I got a picture of the President as he was hit with the first shot. So instantaneous, in fact, that the crowd hadn't had time to react.






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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2019, 02:39:22 AM »
Charles, do you think a very loud bang causing what Phil Willis said “the reflex from the shot caused me to take one of these pictures” would only affect his camera trigger finger, i.e. so no part of his hand or wrist or arm or shoulder would shutter so there would be no blur in the picture?  If Zapruder at a noticeably further distance (and sound intensity falling off as 1/r^2) jiggled his camera at the gunshots, was it because he was a significantly less stable photographer compared to what Willis could do up much closer to the noise?

For what it’s worth, an approach I looked at awhile ago related to first shot testimonies (which would be expected to have lower than average variability when interpreting for the first shot timing) does appear to agree with your comments regarding those Willis photos.

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2019, 03:00:44 AM »
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Charles, do you think a very loud bang causing what Phil Willis said “the reflex from the shot caused me to take one of these pictures” would only affect his camera trigger finger, i.e. so no part of his hand or wrist or arm or shoulder would shutter so there would be no blur in the picture?  If Zapruder at a noticeably further distance (and sound intensity falling off as 1/r^2) jiggled his camera at the gunshots, was it because he was a significantly less stable photographer compared to what Willis could do up much closer to the noise?

For what it’s worth, an approach I looked at awhile ago related to first shot testimonies (which would be expected to have lower than average variability when interpreting for the first shot timing) does appear to agree with your comments regarding those Willis photos.

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There are a lot of variables involved. First, unexpected sudden loud noises, like a gunshot, affect some people more than others. Personally, I am very sensitive to them. And believe that I would be affected much more than just a finger twitch. Someone else might not be affected at all and be rock steady. Secondly, photography has variables such as film speed, aperture, shutter speed, that will affect the image. Unless the shutter speed was very fast, I would expect that the limousine and occupants should be clear. And the background blurred due to the tracking motion of the camera.

I will have to review your link when I have access to a computer tomorrow. Thanks
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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2019, 04:47:49 AM »




You guys make it seem like Willis was just standing there waiting for the limousine with plenty of time to raise his camera, frame his shot and pan evenly to eliminate blurring. All ruin by his being startled by hearing a shot.

Willis had to run from where he took his shot  of the limousine on Houston to where he took Willis 04. He had a second or two after he arrived to get his shot.

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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2019, 05:01:13 AM »
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You guys make it seem like Willis was just standing there waiting for the limousine with plenty of time to raise his camera, frame his shot and pan evenly to eliminate blurring. All ruin by his being startled by hearing a shot.

Willis had to run from where he took his shot  of the limousine on Houston to where he took Willis 04. He had a second or two after he arrived to get his shot.

Wasn't Willis trying to sell his copyrighted photos?



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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 11:08:16 AM »
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You guys make it seem like Willis was just standing there waiting for the limousine with plenty of time to raise his camera, frame his shot and pan evenly to eliminate blurring. All ruin by his being startled by hearing a shot.

Willis had to run from where he took his shot  of the limousine on Houston to where he took Willis 04. He had a second or two after he arrived to get his shot.

That’s another excellent graphic Jerry. Thanks! Yes you are right. However, he only had 3.77 seconds to move to the new position, aim the camera, refocus, and get the next photo (05). Neither one is sharply focused (professional quality). But the 04 photo appears to be significantly more out of focus than the others.

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 01:56:33 PM »
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Charles, do you think a very loud bang causing what Phil Willis said “the reflex from the shot caused me to take one of these pictures” would only affect his camera trigger finger, i.e. so no part of his hand or wrist or arm or shoulder would shutter so there would be no blur in the picture?  If Zapruder at a noticeably further distance (and sound intensity falling off as 1/r^2) jiggled his camera at the gunshots, was it because he was a significantly less stable photographer compared to what Willis could do up much closer to the noise?

For what it’s worth, an approach I looked at awhile ago related to first shot testimonies (which would be expected to have lower than average variability when interpreting for the first shot timing) does appear to agree with your comments regarding those Willis photos.

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Nice work Brian. I agree with your approach and conclusions.

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 02:36:46 PM »
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Can anybody identify what is in the background of Willis4?
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Appears to be a concrete pillar, tree trunk and first floor of the Depository.

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Re: First shot reactions
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 03:29:02 PM »
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In the clip below, I believe that you can see each of the limo occupants simultaneously react to the sound of the first shot.



JFK suddenly drops his right hand from his hair and looks to his left (towards Jackie). Then suddenly returns his head to the crowd on his right (probably reacting to the sound of someone yelling).

John Connally first turns to his right, then quickly turns to his left (towards Nellie), then back to his right.

Jackie suddenly turns her head further to her left, then back towards the front of the limo.

Nellie Connally suddenly turns to her right (towards John Connally).

Agent Roy Kellerman suddenly turns his head to his right, then quickly back towards the front.

Agent Greer (driver) appears to have his gaze towards the camera (Zapruder) and doesn't appear to move his head. He is the exception, perhaps Zapruder (up high on the pedistal) caught his eye.

And last, but not least, William T. McIntyre (on the left running board of the presidential follow-up car) Hickey suddenly looks to his left and down. He appears to me to be looking at the tires of the limo for a blow-out. (Perhaps he thought the loud noise might have been a tire blowing out.)

Edit: William T. McIntyre is almost hidden behind Clint Hill. However, I believe I see him suddenly duck his head and look around Clint Hill.

   Still waiting for Anyone to reveal Why SA Hickey is seated so Exceptionally High inside the Queen Mary. His head is higher than the front windshield, and Much higher than everyone else inside the vehicle. Extremely peculiar. 

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