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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2019, 07:10:29 PM »
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Surely, the most important piece of evidence to convince the public would be eyewitnesses to the murder, there were hundreds of people in Dealey Plaza and having 5-6 people all say they saw Oswald with a rifle in the Sniper's nest and I seriously doubt that we would be here today but instead the conspirators used considerable manpower to manufacture rifle paper trails, threaten eyewitnesses, plant evidence, manufacture evidence, when all they had to do was have eyewitnesses say it was Oswald in the window.

What conspirators who used considerable manpower to manufacture rifle paper trails, threaten eyewitnesses, plant evidence, manufacture evidence?  You wouldn't be manufacturing YET ANOTHER LN-er strawman argument would you?

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2019, 07:13:36 PM »
Yeah, all the "lineups were unfair". LOL!

Rigged lineups are no laughing matter.

- Fillers should generally resemble each other and the suspect
- Fillers and the suspect should be dressed alike
- Fillers should resemble the witness's pre-lineup description of the suspect
- There should be a minimum of 5 fillers
- The person administering the lineup should not know who the suspect is
- If the suspect has an unusual or unique feature that would make him stand out then it should be concealed, or the fillers should have the same thing artificially added
- Witnesses should not attend lineups together
- The witness should not be visible to the suspect or fillers
- The suspect's position in each lineup should be randomly placed
- Witnesses should be told that the suspect may or may not be in the lineup
- Witnesses should be asked how certain they are of the identification
- Witnesses should not have been biased by media reports prior to the lineup
- Witnesses shouldn't be pressured to make a selection

https://www.ncjrs.gov/nij/eyewitness/eyewitness_id.html


Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2019, 10:18:15 PM »
Yeah, all the "lineups were unfair". LOL!

JohnM

Identification rates are demonstrably lower when fillers are dressed the same
Plus people generally aren't all that observant in the first place, especially modern-day
« Last Edit: July 12, 2019, 10:24:05 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2019, 12:55:50 AM »
The lineups were not part of any conspiracy. Just what you would expect given the circumstances. Why would anyone expect them to be fair? They achieved their purpose.

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2019, 01:27:05 AM »
Perhaps Castro's rifle was all that was required on the day. Oswald's whereabouts at shooting time would not be so important.

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Where were the eyewitnesses?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2019, 02:12:18 AM »
Sure, having eyewitnesses to a crime, solves a crime whereas relying on made up circumstantial evidence is an unnecessary risk.

Old enough to know that debating someone who is usually reduced to claiming that "they" can fake anything, which leads to the predictable ""absolutely nothing can be trusted", is pretty futile.

JohnM

"they" can fake anything

Johnny, are you really that naive? Do you truly believe something can be made but can not subsequently be faked?

absolutely nothing can be trusted"

Something presented as "evidence" needs to be examined..... there is no room for (blind faith) trust, at least not in court of law.....