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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2019, 08:00:13 PM »
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The evidence of Oswald's guilt was overwhelming.  His guilt is a foregone conclusion from that perspective.  The authorities were understandably concerned that WWIII not be started on the basis of false rumors disseminated by kooks of the involvement of Russia or Cuba.  That is a perfectly legitimate reason to want the public to be satisfied of Oswald's guilt.  Not because it was false, but because it was true.

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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2019, 10:10:06 PM »
The evidence of Oswald's guilt was overwhelming.  His guilt is a foregone conclusion from that perspective.  The authorities were understandably concerned that WWIII not be started on the basis of false rumors disseminated by kooks of the involvement of Russia or Cuba.  That is a perfectly legitimate reason to want the public to be satisfied of Oswald's guilt.  Not because it was false, but because it was true.

My reasonable doubt is reasonable, I can support that the investigation was shoddy in major areas....the rifle and scope,
and Bowen/Grossi and Bowen/Osborne, both reportedly seen with Oswald. How, other than the WC  report, do you come by such confidence?

You write as if you drive down the road, perceiving your view out of any window of your vehicle, especially the view through
the windshield is the world. You trust your view to provide you with discernment in when to, and the degree of steering and stop, go, speed level, and even when to switch wipers on and adjust wiper speed. You don't know what you don't know, an example is if you have no view of
the sky directly above from your driver's seat. You don't consider what you don't know, not even giving that blind spot/info gap a thought, maybe because you are quite satisfied from your experience avoiding accidents, or even close brushes with collision. You've got this!

The investigative responsibilities of  the WC, especially with foreign threats including an evenly nuclear weapons armed,  super power rival constantly competing for advantage on every level, were not similar to driving a car. A lone male suspect, a former USMC enlistee who
was freshly returned with a Soviet wife, a suspect with the weight of Priscilla Johnson's and Richard Schneider's impressions of this suspect's
mindset in the same week in Moscow in late 1959, misguided, diverging from expectations of a USMC volunteer like the ones they both were so accustomed to seeing in their dress blues, ever present in the Moscow embassy.

I don't know about you but I do my homework with the goal of learning what questions I need to ask. Reading the well supported evidence I already have posted in this thread, and considering the following, how would you rate the FBI's  handling of its purported "Bowen Investigation" component of the thorough inquiry the WC depended on the FBI to conduct and share the results of and be responsive to WC followup questions prompting additional investigation. The only key agency performing more incompetently, on the surface where no suspicion diminished  confidence in either agency, was  the CIA during the Sept, 1963 weekend the FBI and CIA seemed to conclude Oswald
had visited Mexico City during the allegedly unique window of time during and after which the CIA demonstrated an inability to conduct or
preserve per SOP,
either visual or audio surveillance of Oswald's alleged interactions with personnel in two foreign missions in MC, both under constant CIA supervised or conducted surveillance.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=137390&relPageId=16&search=mantooth_and%20harboring


Because the FBI performed so poorly in investigating the Bowen dimension of their investigation, we'll never know why Dial Ryder
actually made his claim or why John Howard Bowen was born in Jan., 1880 on his WWI draft reg. document and in 1878 on his Death Cert.
and gravesttone. Consider the image I included below, proof impersonator Osborne gave FBI in Feb, 1964 same D.O.B. as on
WWI draft card.

Last year I called the SSA to report the 1962 death of John Howard Bowen.  The SSA clerk I talked with confirmed no notification of
Bowen's death was ever received. I informed the SSA clerk of 3 or 4 Bowen SS #s and pointed her to the Terminal, NC place of Bowen's
death and of the cemetery address. She informed me the SSA has a purge program of all recipients over 120 years old. Did SSA continue
to send checks to Bowen in Terminal, NC from his 1962 death until 2018?

https://www.wenFBIfailsChesterPA.png[/img]maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10715&search=morgue_and+chester#relPageId=2&tab=page

....and next page: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10715&search=morgue_and+chester#relPageId=3&tab=page


1915 Newspaper article:


Self Explanatory:


1934:


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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32875262/john-howard-bowen
John Howard Bowen
BIRTH   1878
DEATH   1962 (aged 83–84)
BURIAL   
Lawn Croft Cemetery
Linwood, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, USA

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32875265/fannie-bowen
Fannie Hall Bowen
BIRTH   1885
DEATH   1934 (aged 48–49)
BURIAL   
Lawn Croft Cemetery
Linwood, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, USA

Google Maps Link



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141&relPageId=602&search=bowen_and%20montgomery
« Last Edit: July 01, 2019, 11:29:15 PM by Tom Scully »

Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2019, 05:34:10 AM »
My reasonable doubt is reasonable, I can support that the investigation was shoddy in major areas....the rifle and scope,
and Bowen/Grossi and Bowen/Osborne, both reportedly seen with Oswald. How, other than the WC  report, do you come by such confidence?

You write as if you drive down the road, perceiving your view out of any window of your vehicle, especially the view through
the windshield is the world. You trust your view to provide you with discernment in when to, and the degree of steering and stop, go, speed level, and even when to switch wipers on and adjust wiper speed. You don't know what you don't know, an example is if you have no view of
the sky directly above from your driver's seat. You don't consider what you don't know, not even giving that blind spot/info gap a thought, maybe because you are quite satisfied from your experience avoiding accidents, or even close brushes with collision. You've got this!

The investigative responsibilities of  the WC, especially with foreign threats including an evenly nuclear weapons armed,  super power rival constantly competing for advantage on every level, were not similar to driving a car. A lone male suspect, a former USMC enlistee who
was freshly returned with a Soviet wife, a suspect with the weight of Priscilla Johnson's and Richard Schneider's impressions of this suspect's
mindset in the same week in Moscow in late 1959, misguided, diverging from expectations of a USMC volunteer like the ones they both were so accustomed to seeing in their dress blues, ever present in the Moscow embassy.

I don't know about you but I do my homework with the goal of learning what questions I need to ask. Reading the well supported evidence I already have posted in this thread, and considering the following, how would you rate the FBI's  handling of its purported "Bowen Investigation" component of the thorough inquiry the WC depended on the FBI to conduct and share the results of and be responsive to WC followup questions prompting additional investigation. The only key agency performing more incompetently, on the surface where no suspicion diminished  confidence in either agency, was  the CIA during the Sept, 1963 weekend the FBI and CIA seemed to conclude Oswald
had visited Mexico City during the allegedly unique window of time during and after which the CIA demonstrated an inability to conduct or
preserve per SOP,
either visual or audio surveillance of Oswald's alleged interactions with personnel in two foreign missions in MC, both under constant CIA supervised or conducted surveillance.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=137390&relPageId=16&search=mantooth_and%20harboring


Because the FBI performed so poorly in investigating the Bowen dimension of their investigation, we'll never know why Dial Ryder
actually made his claim or why John Howard Bowen was born in Jan., 1880 on his WWI draft reg. document and in 1878 on his Death Cert.
and gravesttone. Consider the image I included below, proof impersonator Osborne gave FBI in Feb, 1964 same D.O.B. as on
WWI draft card.

Last year I called the SSA to report the 1962 death of John Howard Bowen.  The SSA clerk I talked with confirmed no notification of
Bowen's death was ever received. I informed the SSA clerk of 3 or 4 Bowen SS #s and pointed her to the Terminal, NC place of Bowen's
death and of the cemetery address. She informed me the SSA has a purge program of all recipients over 120 years old. Did SSA continue
to send checks to Bowen in Terminal, NC from his 1962 death until 2018?

https://www.wenFBIfailsChesterPA.png[/img]maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10715&search=morgue_and+chester#relPageId=2&tab=page

....and next page: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10715&search=morgue_and+chester#relPageId=3&tab=page


1915 Newspaper article:


Self Explanatory:


1934:


Google Maps Link



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141&relPageId=602&search=bowen_and%20montgomery


Extraordinary findings, Tom.  OK, the sunroof in my car is open.......  what questions do you ask from the abovementioned information on Bowen et. al. ?

Oh, bytheway..... I notice that Mssr. Halle is still a 'senior member' of Ralph Cinque's "cultish" 'OIC', I see.  I wonder if the CAPA convention will have Dr. Cinque speak of his 'Oswald in the Doorway' obsession?  Naaaaah...... he ain't got a prayer, man !!!
« Last Edit: July 02, 2019, 05:45:13 AM by Mark A. Oblazney »

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2019, 09:33:38 PM »
Names of shooters and conspirators, anyone?
What, too soon?

Another mark of cultish faith.

"I'm automatically correct unless you can prove something different is true".

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« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2019, 09:35:31 PM »
The evidence of Oswald's guilt was overwhelming.

Please enumerate this "overwhelming evidence" (without misrepresenting it).

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Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2019, 04:02:15 AM »
Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
by James Clear    |     Decision Making, Life Lessons

The economist J.K. Galbraith once wrote, “Faced with a choice between changing one’s mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy with the proof.”

Leo Tolstoy was even bolder: “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”

What's going on here? Why don't facts change our minds? And why would someone continue to believe a false or inaccurate idea anyway? How do such behaviors serve us?

The Logic of False Beliefs
Humans need a reasonably accurate view of the world in order to survive. If your model of reality is wildly different from the actual world, then you struggle to take effective actions each day.

However, truth and accuracy are not the only things that matter to the human mind. Humans also seem to have a deep desire to belong.

In Atomic Habits, I wrote, “Humans are herd animals. We want to fit in, to bond with others, and to earn the respect and approval of our peers. Such inclinations are essential to our survival. For most of our evolutionary history, our ancestors lived in tribes. Becoming separated from the tribe—or worse, being cast out—was a death sentence.”

Understanding the truth of a situation is important, but so is remaining part of a tribe. While these two desires often work well together, they occasionally come into conflict.

In many circumstances, social connection is actually more helpful to your daily life than understanding the truth of a particular fact or idea. The Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker put it this way, “People are embraced or condemned according to their beliefs, so one function of the mind may be to hold beliefs that bring the belief-holder the greatest number of allies, protectors, or disciples, rather than beliefs that are most likely to be true.”

We don't always believe things because they are correct. Sometimes we believe things because they make us look good to the people we care about.

I thought Kevin Simler put it well when he wrote, “If a brain anticipates that it will be rewarded for adopting a particular belief, it's perfectly happy to do so, and doesn't much care where the reward comes from — whether it's pragmatic (better outcomes resulting from better decisions), social (better treatment from one's peers), or some mix of the two.”

False beliefs can be useful in a social sense even if they are not useful in a factual sense. For lack of a better phrase, we might call this approach “factually false, but socially accurate.”  When we have to choose between the two, people often select friends and family over facts.

This insight not only explains why we might hold our tongue at a dinner party or look the other way when our parents say something offensive, but also reveals a better way to change the minds of others.

Facts Don't Change Our Minds. Friendship Does.
Convincing someone to change their mind is really the process of convincing them to change their tribe. If they abandon their beliefs, they run the risk of losing social ties. You can’t expect someone to change their mind if you take away their community too. You have to give them somewhere to go. Nobody wants their worldview torn apart if loneliness is the outcome.

The way to change people’s minds is to become friends with them, to integrate them into your tribe, to bring them into your circle. Now, they can change their beliefs without the risk of being abandoned socially.

The British philosopher Alain de Botton suggests that we simply share meals with those who disagree with us:

“Sitting down at a table with a group of strangers has the incomparable and odd benefit of making it a little more difficult to hate them with impunity. Prejudice and ethnic strife feed off abstraction. However, the proximity required by a meal – something about handing dishes around, unfurling napkins at the same moment, even asking a stranger to pass the salt – disrupts our ability to cling to the belief that the outsiders who wear unusual clothes and speak in distinctive accents deserve to be sent home or assaulted. For all the large-scale political solutions which have been proposed to salve ethnic conflict, there are few more effective ways to promote tolerance between suspicious neighbours than to force them to eat supper together.”

Perhaps it is not difference, but distance that breeds tribalism and hostility. As proximity increases, so does understanding. I am reminded of Abraham Lincoln's quote, “I don't like that man. I must get to know him better.”

Facts don't change our minds. Friendship does.

The Spectrum of Beliefs
Years ago, Ben Casnocha mentioned an idea to me that I haven't been able to shake: The people who are most likely to change our minds are the ones we agree with on 98 percent of topics.

If someone you know, like, and trust believes a radical idea, you are more likely to give it merit, weight, or consideration. You already agree with them in most areas of life. Maybe you should change your mind on this one too. But if someone wildly different than you proposes the same radical idea, well, it's easy to dismiss them as a crackpot.

One way to visualize this distinction is by mapping beliefs on a spectrum. If you divide this spectrum into 10 units and you find yourself at Position 7, then there is little sense in trying to convince someone at Position 1. The gap is too wide. When you're at Position 7, your time is better spent connecting with people who are at Positions 6 and 8, gradually pulling them in your direction.

The most heated arguments often occur between people on opposite ends of the spectrum, but the most frequent learning occurs from people who are nearby. The closer you are to someone, the more likely it becomes that the one or two beliefs you don't share will bleed over into your own mind and shape your thinking. The further away an idea is from your current position, the more likely you are to reject it outright.

When it comes to changing people's minds, it is very difficult to jump from one side to another. You can't jump down the spectrum. You have to slide down it.

Any idea that is sufficiently different from your current worldview will feel threatening. And the best place to ponder a threatening idea is in a non-threatening environment. As a result, books are often a better vehicle for transforming beliefs than conversations or debates.

In conversation, people have to carefully consider their status and appearance. They want to save face and avoid looking stupid. When confronted with an uncomfortable set of facts, the tendency is often to double down on their current position rather than publicly admit to being wrong.

Books resolve this tension. With a book, the conversation takes place inside someone's head and without the risk of being judged by others. It's easier to be open-minded when you aren't feeling defensive.

Arguments are like a full frontal attack on a person's identity. Reading a book is like slipping the seed of an idea into a person's brain and letting it grow on their own terms. There's enough wrestling going on in someone's head when they are overcoming a pre-existing belief. They don't need to wrestle with you too.

Why False Ideas Persist
There is another reason bad ideas continue to live on, which is that people continue to talk about them.

Silence is death for any idea. An idea that is never spoken or written down dies with the person who conceived it. Ideas can only be remembered when they are repeated. They can only be believed when they are repeated.

I have already pointed out that people repeat ideas to signal they are part of the same social group. But here's a crucial point most people miss:

People also repeat bad ideas when they complain about them. Before you can criticize an idea, you have to reference that idea. You end up repeating the ideas you’re hoping people will forget—but, of course, people can’t forget them because you keep talking about them. The more you repeat a bad idea, the more likely people are to believe it.

Let's call this phenomenon Clear's Law of Recurrence: The number of people who believe an idea is directly proportional to the number of times it has been repeated during the last year—even if the idea is false.

Each time you attack a bad idea, you are feeding the very monster you are trying to destroy. As one Twitter employee wrote, “Every time you retweet or quote tweet someone you’re angry with, it helps them. It disseminates their BS. Hell for the ideas you deplore is silence. Have the discipline to give it to them.”

Your time is better spent championing good ideas than tearing down bad ones. Don't waste time explaining why bad ideas are bad. You are simply fanning the flame of ignorance and stupidity.

The best thing that can happen to a bad idea is that it is forgotten. The best thing that can happen to a good idea is that it is shared. It makes me think of Tyler Cowen's quote, “Spend as little time as possible talking about how other people are wrong.”

Feed the good ideas and let bad ideas die of starvation.

The Intellectual Soldier

I know what you might be thinking. “James, are you serious right now? I'm just supposed to let these idiots get away with this?”

Let me be clear. I'm not saying it's never useful to point out an error or criticize a bad idea. But you have to ask yourself, “What is the goal?”

Why do you want to criticize bad ideas in the first place? Presumably, you want to criticize bad ideas because you think the world would be better off if fewer people believed them. In other words, you think the world would improve if people changed their minds on a few important topics.

If the goal is to actually change minds, then I don't believe criticizing the other side is the best approach.

Most people argue to win, not to learn. As Julia Galef so aptly puts it: people often act like soldiers rather than scouts. Soldiers are on the intellectual attack, looking to defeat the people who differ from them. Victory is the operative emotion. Scouts, meanwhile, are like intellectual explorers, slowly trying to map the terrain with others. Curiosity is the driving force.

If you want people to adopt your beliefs, you need to act more like a scout and less like a soldier. At the center of this approach is a question Tiago Forte poses beautifully, “Are you willing to not win in order to keep the conversation going?”

Be Kind First, Be Right Later
The brilliant Japanese writer Haruki Murakami once wrote, “Always remember that to argue, and win, is to break down the reality of the person you are arguing against. It is painful to lose your reality, so be kind, even if you are right.”

When we are in the moment, we can easily forget that the goal is to connect with the other side, collaborate with them, befriend them, and integrate them into our tribe. We are so caught up in winning that we forget about connecting. It's easy to spend your energy labeling people rather than working with them.

The word “kind” originated from the word “kin.” When you are kind to someone it means you are treating them like family. This, I think, is a good method for actually changing someone's mind. Develop a friendship. Share a meal. Gift a book.

Be kind first, be right later.

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